flatland

been there, done that

The exertion of summit day on Ptarmagin must be the crux, and since it is a carry over likely hood of success would be greater with out the extra weight . . . Any one have a Bibler for sale?

Ummm, thanks, I guess. And I'm touched by your deep concern. I have done several climbs of this difficulty before. I have 70 consecutive days of climbing time to kill this summer. What would you do? Go to index . . . and crag?

OK, OK, OK! So, want to kick my butt. So a guy ask 13 stupid questions and he earn his own thread? I've been in school for 20 years and I get stupider each year. Just have alittle mercy and tell me how you all say such smart things.

Integral Designs and Todd Bibler used to be one and the same until they split. The material is the same, as is the quality, but the ID tent costs alot less. It's what Barry Blanchard and most of the Canadian Crazies use.

So, which really is the best? Has anyone taken the time to look carefully at both and made a decision. What's your opinion?

Thank you for the real info. I know, I know, my mom always warned me about hangin with the wrong crowd. Finding solace on a site full of spray has rubbed off and made me sound like a smart alec even when I'm serious.

See, you said it Alpine is climbing all the rest is cragging

Gandarme pitch on stuart. You leave this sliver of a belay pedestal and travers out onto the pitch 1000 ft above the glacier. My fist got stuck in the "off width" and I had to move down to get it out. wierd the coffin gordon's hangover Little Cottonwood

fluteland, hmmm. has a catch to it. watch out here comes flute man!!!

Francois Legrand is cragger Steve House is climber

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Alpine is climbing Index is cragging

If if it goes it goes. Don't make any desicions until its light. Bubba Already have one compadre signed up for each climb, so really a third would be nice for the glaciated climbs in June. We are med student so we won't be doing the climbs in record time, but we are fit and know our stuff. The weather is an issue, so, to maximize our chances of success we are planning for two days beyond the predicted max time for the climb alone. For example Baker may only take 2 days but we have 5 set aside to play in the rain.

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About the steep snow on the north side of the ridge - do you need rigid boots? Could the whole route be done in my flimsy 5.10 guide almighties?

Is there anyone out there who has actually used a snow cave on Mount Rainier for other than emergency situation (in June)?

My treking pole fell of my pack while my compadre and I were bailing down from Snow Lake (3/23/03) after an attempt (never saw the thing through the fog) on chair peak. I was scared to go back up in the bad avy conditions. If you see it let me know. Thanks.

Thanks. I assume that the whole thing is done in boots, right?

Is the rock pretty ice free by the first week in july?

Keep the comments comming. Right now, I am leaning towards trying the caves. Has anyone out there used one on Rainier in summer? Thanks

Are the snow conditions good (not ice, diggable with an aluminum shovel) in June at 10,000+ feet?

Is digging snow caves on Liberty Ridge and Ptarmagin Ridge a feasable idea. I have used tents in the past on Rainier, but after using several snow caves on recent winter climbs wonder if this might not be a bad idea. Caves are so warm, quiet and comfortable. Plus the bivies weigh alot less.