Sloth_Man

You know you're desperate when you're discussing whether or not to climb on the only tiny boulder in town. Californians would die laughing at this shit. Why can't they ship some of that rock up here anyway? Greedy fuckers. We'd be glad to exchange it for some rain.

Hey guys, All that intellectual stuff they're pumping you full of at school: it's bad for you. You need to lay off before you start to believe that the stuff you're talking about actually has meaning. It's just a game you play to get employment Ok? Don't take it seriously. Sheesh! The article is a piece of trash. You're arguing over meaningless trash. Hmm... but I guess if you're getting a masters degree in arguing over trash and you need the practice then go ahead. My bad.

mensa shmenza every body I've ever known that claimed to be a member was an alcoholic and crazy and either a raging asshole or a bitch. Yeah real supperior folks those mensa types.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzz couldn't even get through the article. Guy sounded like a typical 'wordsmith' 'intellectual' to me. Full of crap and getting paid to dish it out. Probably got a master degree in that shit. G'me a fuckin break! Talk about right wing bullshit.

Another lesson for the children. Don't let some beemer bitch try to get sympathy from you by pulling out the 'I'm gonna cry' shit. The bitch almost killed you, so make her cry already. Call her all the bad words you can think of. No doubt she went home and bitched to her sugar daddy about the biker who ran into her on the road. Whatever you do don't reinforce that 'I'm gonna cry' shit. You'll get plenty of that pulled on you in the future so you'd better start hardening up right quick if you don't want to be used, abused, and left feeling like a jerk.

Damn children! Doncha know anything? The freakin paper is so that you can legally take half the mans money and retirement income when you split. Sheesh! 'Slike ya'll was born yesterday.

Glad I could be of service.

Now that I think about it they might have been rivets or button heads. Whatever they were didn't look like rappin material to me.

Funny register story (I guess it's funny anyway) Me and a buddy climbed up the arete on Cathedral peak in Tuolemne (hell I can't spell it). It was a great climb by the way and vastly better than the standard route which was covered by gumbies. So we're chillin on the neat little summit when some folk show up. There's a metal summit register bolted to the rock with a couple old 1/4 in spinners. The people that just showed up put the rope around the summit register and proceeded to rap off of it. Before they go over the edge I look at my budy and say "we're not connected to them are we?". After they safely rap off the summit register we did the easy 5.0 down climb. Anyway I go for D none of the above. Summit registers are meaningless.

Well if the skis stayed on his feet all the way down isn't that a successful ski descent? And part of it down the Willis Wall to boot? First descent whoo hoo!! Considering how anal the whole MRNP thing is I'm surprised they let people ski LR.

Rick Richeisal sure seems like a slimy california type yuppie bastard to me. Did you ever hear anyone who made a million dollars a year whine so much. And what's with his dad? What a fuckin whiny snob. Pooooooooooooor coachy boy. Hope you saved some of that cash scumbag. Now get the fuck outa washington asswipe.

I try not to hate cyclists. But the holier than thou attitude doesn't do much for me. And I'm not daily road rager either. I ride the bus to work. Cycling could be fun if it weren't for the autos. I hate autos more than anything else in the world (except when it's taking me to the mountains). But I've got to question your intelligence if you think it's fun to ride on city streets. Maybe you guys have lost your sense of smell and hearing, as well as your sense of self preservation. Exhaust smell and engine noise are some of my least favorite things. I think there should be whole roads, lanes, whatever dedicated for cyclists and pedestrains. But from a pedestrains point of view many cyclists seem a lot like drivers on commute to me, and that's where I started in this thread and that's where I'll end it.

Another peeve of mine is that come up fast from behind and on the right at the light thing. Whenever I pass a cyclist I always make sure to keep an eye on them at the intersection because I know they'll do this. They seem kind of stupid that way. That's what I mean about being a vehicle one minute and a pedestrian the next. Since 98% of them do not follow the rules of the road consistently it's kind of hard to predict what they'll do. And I'm one of the only drivers actually paying attention and staying within the speed limits. I would never ride in the city there just isn't enough room. To me it'd be like climbing right next to a constant avalanche of large blocks and saying 'well the large blocks always go down that gully. They never bounce over this way'.

I always thought of people who put stickers on their cars and helmets as posers. Kind of like having a 'No Fear' sticker on your stomper truck. Might as well have a 'I'm afraid to find out how afraid I might be so I'll make you think that I think I'm tough by getting a big truck and putting stickers on it, even though if I thought about it for a minute I'd realize that you don't give a crap what sports I do or how tough or fearless I might be' sticker. Then again maybe it works getting chicks. Chicks seem to like those testosterone poisoned confidence challenged guys, But I wouldn't really know.

Those are good points and good sentiments, but I think that some people take that attitude too far. I can't even count the number of time's I've seen jersey boys flip off drivers who did nothing, or pedestrians who interupted their high speed ride. I can't tell you how many times I've seen jersey boys go from 'I'm a vehicle give me my space on the road' to cutting over sidewalks through parking lots and so on. I can't even remember how many times I've seen these holier than thow people ride side by side and hold up a whole road of traffic. And oh my god what's with the large groups of matching jersey boys? Ever drive around Boulder Co, fuck! these groups of fuckheads will clog up the entire highway. What a nightmare. And then they turn around and flip off the angry drivers that are stuck behind them. AND WHAT'S WITH THE FUCKIN JERSEYS AND TIGHT SHORTS? Can't a bike be ridden in regular shorts with a T shirt? Why the fuck to we have to see your fuckin balls and advertisements for companies we've never heard of all over your back. And another thing I wonder about, don't all these people show up at work all sweaty and stinky? They sure look sweaty going down the road (well not on the BG but everywhere else). There's nothing worse than fresh workout funk in the office. Ahhh... there I've said it all, and I feel better. And I finally got a chance to spread my phrase jersey boys. But shouldn't this all be on the spray page?

Must've really pissed off a bunch of mounties with this one or something. Fuckin morons couldn't understand the simple logic of the original post. I'd sure like to see someone stop the leader with a self arrest. G'me an f'n break. Just the outcry itself says a lot about how stupid these people are and how personal they take criticism of a technique that they undoubtably employ themselves. Ya know rather than getting your mountie panties in a knot maybe you could have addressed the issues raised in the original post and explained how it was prudent to rope up on steep exposed snow without a running a belay.

Totally blows the ballance of the universe!

#1 women value relationships because it's the only way they can sit on their fat ass watching Oprah and breeding without having to collect welfare. #2 men value relationships cause they never outgrew the need for their mommas tit. #3 because of this twisted dependency the country is populated by fat breeder chicks and frustrated men who gave up their lives to repeat the uninteresting and useless scenario their parents went through #4 it's all meaningless cause in the end we'll all drown in fresh McDonalds fed baby shit.

Regular women are bad enough. Could you imagine the huge pain in the ass one of these would be? But I guess you young guys probably still think the trade off's would be worth it. Waste a few years servicing one of these and you'll grow out of it.

Hmm... I sense right winger necks reddening and temples throbbing. Let's see if I can say some other left wing crap to fuel the fire. Ya know universal health care and gun control are good. Hillary is my hero. Clinton was the best president since Carter. Go Castro. Carry your TP out with you in a bag. Don't pick flowers or step on spiders. Go vegan. Save the whales. Nader for president. Spotted owls rule. Fuck Walmart. . . .

Yeah by that logic we should all be speaking Sioux or Navaho or some such.

What an amazing thread. It starts with a right winger complaining about a spanish button. It's weird how Walmart can attack and undermine almost everything these conservative types should be holding dear and all they can do is complain about a spanish button on the ATM reader. Talk about backward and twisted. Such is the nature of the American mind these days. Every time I hear a common American opinion I can only think "what a bunch of spoiled babies" I don't think most of you would last a day in the 'third world'.

Yeah some of them jersey boys on the BG seem a lot like Californians in rush hour to me. Take heart though jersey boys apparently have difficulty reproducing.

While I posted before saying that some retrobolting may be good I have to say that people trying FFA's of old aid lines have gone way too far in many cases retrobolting stuff. The bosch brothers ruined Lurking Fear IMHO. What other routes are next? Does their ability to climb 512/13 cracks make it Ok? And what's up with the bolts on the Muir Wall? They couldn't free the original traverse out from under the shield roof or what? Maybe they've pre-empted something that can be done in the future? Isn't that a primary argument agains new bolts? One or two quietly placed bolts on out of the way climbs is one thing, but to bolt up a whole pitch and alter the direction of a long standing route is another matter. Like someone else said there's plenty of rock go find some new stuff. I don't see Hubers putting in mass bolts to get an FFA, and they aren't even locals. Some of those guys just seem like Todd Skinners on steriods to me.

I think it's fair to say that there's some very fine routes in the country that have been 'ruined' by long run outs. Look through the Yosemite free climbs book and you'll see many routes that might be doable by us mere mortals if there were more than one bolt on a pitch. I appreciate the boldness of these first ascents, but I also suspect that many of these climbs are seldom if ever done anymore because of the known runout and the unknown nature of the route and bolts. I also think it's a little unfair for 5.12 valley climbing gods to put up 5.10's or 9's and leave out the bolts. I'm not against a retro bolt or two on certain routes. When I did the South Face of Warlock Needle I was very glad to see a retro bolt on the headwall pitch. It was still pretty balsy above that but not deadly as it would have been without the bolt. This is an awsome line that really benefited by the bolt. You could argue that only a climber good enough to deal with it should have been there. I went there not knowing about the bolt, and would have done the ascent without it (since reversing the moves back to the pedestal would have been worse) and admitidedly the climbing past and above the bolt isn't hard. But I was glad it was there, and I think it's a hard enough line as it is. It's not like that one bolt is going to bring on the hordes of gumbies or ruin the whole route. So I think there's room for discussion on the issue. Some climbs are popular and 'set in stone' like those at Static and should not be changed. A runout slab is not unusual and if you want to climb slab you'll need to get used to it. It would ruin so many good climbs to bolt their slab sections into 'safety'. Many of my greatest climbing memories are of moderate runouts at Lumpy Ridge. One or more bolts on these sections would have ruined the character of the climbs. However, these were not dangerous or deadly runouts, only 'thoughtfull'. Some routes have a reputation for danger and are part of a 'hard mans' repertoire and should not be changed either. But I still think there may be many routes that could use a little retro bolting, but only to bring a fabulous line from deadly down to survivable. It would have to be done with consultation from people who have actually done the route and with consensus from other local climbers. It does seem that we need to get beyond the blanket statement that routes cannot be changed except by the first ascentionists. I'm not convinced that they have a right to dictate the nature of a climb on public land. If it's a classic and the runouts are part of that like Bacher Yarian or such then they must stay as they are. But if they are a forgoten line that could be classic with addition of a few bolts per pitch I think that should be open to consideration.