kevin, i did not get beat. i got an occasional spanking along with lots of other creative punishments. i still think its an appropriate punishment in som cases.
and yeah folks are right, there are a lot of little terrors out there b/c their parents can't/won't don't set boundaries. these kids don't understand that there are appropriate behaviors for various settings and circumstances.
i see it even at the youngest ages. parents who won't take a toy away from a toddler that won't share, no consequences for the pre-schooler having a tantrum, no punishment for the back talking grade schooler. yeah, it carries over. this always positive crap that people try just doesn't instill boundaries or respect.