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You're exactly right, trask. If I want a half-hour of relative peace for my wife and I to talk when I get home, what do I do? Pop in the old Aristocats (or whatever the flavor-of-the month is).

You guys debating slavery are wandering into the soft stuff. While you're at it, ponder this: Is it a mitigating factor that the descendents of those slaves are living in the US, rather than, say , Sierra Leone?

I know I'm fantasizing here, but I really really hope to keep the kids away from the videogame world as long as possible. Maybe it was Dave Barry who said that he never wanted his kids to watch videos; he pictured them doing good Amish things like weaving and churning butter. Then he gave in, and eventually his family bought the entire Disney collection. Well, my kids watch too many videos already, so my Maginot Line (for now) is videogames. They're not yet 5, but hear their friends talk about 'em, so their interest is piqued. I guess I think of videogames the same way my parents thought of TV---new opiate of the people. My folks succumbed to their first TV set when I was 14 (after my siblings and I were already into books). I'm probably obsessing like my parents did. Shit, child-rearing is scary. Wish we were back in the pre-AIDS, pre-crack, pre-internet, pre-Columbine good old days.

Now THAT would be bullshit! Climbers are paying more to "play," so they (and I guess the Paradise guests) should park toward the front.

Iain, I see Pat Robertson's face, and wonder if there isn't some secret blood relation between him and Jim Bakker.

Hey Fairweather, I'm not one-sided on this---Reno was absolutely awful. But I don't believe in martyrdom, and RFK was no great shakes either. Most of us were kids (or not alive) back then; from what I have read, Bobby was quite the operative for his brother in his job, and not exactly acting as the preserver of freedoms.

let me introduce you to an old swim buddy and his girlfriend ...

trask, as you can see, my mama is very supportive of my fighting career...

trask, I'd give you the spankin' yo mama never dealt ya.

I want all you kids in the audience to note that none of us on this thread today have threatened to punch, spindle, mutilate or violate each other, despite our obvious difference of opinions.

Gotcha!! Now I can sleep tonight.

Okay, Goat. Let's talk about mountains. When you get really cold, do you ponder the relativity of the coldness, or the relativity of how your body senses it?

freeclimb, I'm with you, but we both know that there's no reasoning with a zealot with a big badge...

Yes, Dr. Flash, it IS a platypus.

Mtngoat, I just read your "red is blue" post, and I do not understand how you get off challenging others to name and defend their religions, saying that you have done so. other than the recent post about how you stand on abortion, I have no idea what your religion and belief system is....it's not a part of this debate. Neither is mine. The issue that I have focused on, since I started posting, is how our Attorney General performs based on what the framers of the constitution had in mind. I think that matters, but you think only the last 15 minutes of history are important when it comes to government. You have, among other things, tried to sully the reputation of Jefferson and others by bringing up slavery. Others may think that you are a keen debater, but verbosity doesn't mean shit if it's not backed up by clear thinking. Cheers, Greg

Goat, you just seem too intelligent to honestly believe this "bend-over" philosophy. You support him, and this is your word-game to defend his appointment. I wish I had the time and energy to do this paragraph-by-paragraph with you. But I must save some time to work, fuck, eat, and live. Let's rest up, and go again over Israel.

Greg, what crawled up your ass? Yesterday I was thinking that you were one of the people on this board that was halfway civil. This morning I was greeted by Now you claim to be pissed off by something I write, and you don't even understand what I'm saying. Kiss my heinie.

Iain, I vote Republican, voted for GWB, but I use my brain in decision-making. You are right-on about Ashcroft. He would be right at home as a fundamentalist Muslim.

trask, I was going to suggest yesterday that Mtngoat find a high school debating club to spar with. That would be a group that would take him up on debating whether the sky is green, and do it with earnest relish. Before, I believed that the Goat was just sparring with us. But now, I think he really believes his crap.

In high school, my standard reply was "you are what you eat."

Can you say "Over the Line?"

Anybody notice that it looks like the folks who are so staunchly defending Ashcroft appear to be the fundamentalists here, and are attempting to do so by telling us the sky is green and the grass is blue? I'd be more inclined to listen to someone who is not staunchly religious use practical logic in defending Ashcroft and his record.

Sargeant Hulka here...all you pukes shut up and give me 20...