RobBob

WTF are you idiots refering to?

No Greg, not yet. But somewhere recently I saw a map and it was more widespread than I had believed.

I love venison, but I am keeping a close eye on increasing reports of CWD.

I just did a quick search, got past the wacky UFO "chem-trail" posts, and found this "Contrails develop when hot, humid fumes from a jet engine meet the cool air of the upper troposphere. Water vapor in the exhaust and atmosphere freezes to create tiny cloud particles, much like the mist that forms when a person exhales on a cold winter day. As turbulence in the upper atmosphere tears contrails apart, they can spread into wispy sheets essentially identical to natural cirrus clouds. Engines can also stimulate cloud growth indirectly, by way of tiny aerosol particles within the exhaust. These aerosols-droplets of sulfuric acid and specks of soot-serve as seeds. They provide surfaces upon which water molecules can condense or freeze to create cloud particles, explains Eric J. Jensen, a participant in SUCCESS and a researcher at NASA's Ames Research Center in Mountain View, Calif. " which was extracted from this: web page

Damn Freeclimb, don't screw up my troll ten minutes after I cobble it together, pointing out my muddled organization and writing. Obviously water vapor is not a product of combustion. Question: Is this a purely pressure-caused condensation, or is it not also a temperature-induced one? Vapor trails often appear to be shed at the engines...or are they actually at the wingtips?

Have to say that I never have believed the global warming gloom-and-doomers, since man has a history of over-rating his impact on the universe. I think that most climatologists would agree that catastrophic asteroid strikes, periodic changes in Earth's rotational orientation, tidal forces (both directly and their secondary trigger effect on volcanism), and volcanism itself have been key determinants in the wide fluctuation of Earth's temperatures over the long term. However, to the extent that man does affect temperature, I wonder if anyone has really put the key factors into accurate perspective. Two factors, I believe, must contribute more to the human equation than they are being given credit for today: 1) Human infrastructure. Just the bricks, mortar, concrete and asphalt itself. Constantly absorbing and radiating heat. If you have an outside temp gage in your vehicle, watch how it fluctuates between cities and rural areas. Even small towns seem to have 1-3 degree F bumps in temp compared to backcountry areas. 2) Aircraft contrails. I rely on flying for business and recreation, and would be loath to reduce the amount of flying that I do. However, the more you observe the skies with this phenomenon in mind, the more you can actually see contrails take on the look of cirrus clouds. It stands to reason, in this layman's eye, that the combination of burned hydrocarbons and water vapor discharged into high atmosphere would have a much greater effect on climate than equal amounts discharged from the ground. And this obviously relates to climbing in a roundabout way.

Totals now show: INTJ 31% (8) INTP 19% (5) ENFP 11.5% (3) ISTJ 7.5% (2) ISFJ 7.5% (2) ENTJ 7.5% (2) ENTP 7.5% (2) INFP 4% (1) INFJ 4% (1) There seems to be a growing correlation (50%!) between INTJ/INTP profiles, and climbing sprayers.

Hey, I was the first to say I think Bush was a stoop about skidoos in Yellowstone. "Everything in Moderation" is a pretty good rule for living, unless and until a resource is proven really finite (like oil). Study each issue before you shoot from the hip---and miss. That seems like a good approach to this Republican. Hell, let's go over to spray and debate global warming again.

I bumped him up also, in agreement abt grabbin' in the name of the gods.

DFA, I like the dark horse or little guy who gives it his all, and surprises everybody with his tenacity and winning attitude, and goes on to achieve. Not the one who cries and puts his hand out for his whole life.

Hokay, that's: INTJ 27% (6) INTP 18% (4) ENFP 14% (3) ISTJ 9% (2) ISFJ 9% (2) ENTJ 9% (2) ENTP 9% (2) INFP 5% (1)

trask, don't even get me started. I know everybody here, if they are honest with themselves, knows an individual or a family who came to the US, worked like hell, and bootstrapped themselves into a better life. I remember in high school in the 70s, a Vietnamese family, must've been 6 kids, descended on our school. The kid in my grade was like all of 'em, failed English for half a year while making A+ in French. Phys Ed was an embarrassing time for him, until the day they broke out the ping-pong tables, and he became a hero. This family's father had been a docter, but was reduced to bagging groceries. Fastforward to today. Through hometown contacts, I know that at least 2 of the kids are physicians, and all of them are doing well. Good for them! Hurrah USA.

I have a business friend who is 100% indian, and whose family was so screwed up that he still tells people he was an orphan child, even tho he's over 60 now. Very successful businessman, civic leader. Everything he has and is, he made and shaped by himself. He did it, and he is quick to tell anybody how we honestly do live in the land of opportunity. He also used to tell me that he often would jump people of other minorities when he heard them whine, calling Bullshit on it. The world's not fukkin fair, but God knows this country offers you an opportunity to be what you want to be. I think it's as close to nirvana as anyone can ask for, if those people who are at the bottom can rise several notches by sheer hard work. I believe that frankly a whole lot of people resent the idea that they might have to work 20-30% harder than others in order to move up.

Okay, here's how they stack up so far: INTJ 24% (5) INTP 19% (4) ENFP 14% (3) ISTJ 9.5% (2) ISFJ 9.5% (2) ENTJ 9.5% (2) ENTP 9.5% (2) INFP 5% (1) 21 is admittedly a very small sample size. No words of wisdom or analysis, since I am not a shrink, or psychologist, or anything of the like. But I have to believe that this sport (or maybe this site) draws certain profiles of people to it. That's a heck of a lot of INTJ's in one place. I actually thought there would be a lot of ISTP's, who supposedly are the wide-open individual-sports types, but this threw that theory out the window. Anyhoo, all in fun.

Native tradition horseshit...I don't live in the United States of Native America! And I'm tired of wasting too many of these on 'em.

DFA obviously forgot to login as Harry Pi today...

DFA, tell the truth, did you ever own a Pacer?

My first vehicle was one of these (Jeepster Commando, 1969, with touches of primer gray): The Commander was close to the perfect vehicle.

Shit, I just "successfully" gained 4-5 lb from Thanksgiving to now, while running 20+ miles per week. Was eatin' just about what you are intending to eat. Drink 2 or 3 of those beers and you'll have it nailed.

Sisu, I would say that maybe kids of shrinks can sometimes be fucked up. Had a buddy in high school whose dad was a shrink. He told his son that he could tell if he smoked pot just by looking at him. Result: One very paranoid, stoned kid. All people obviously have times when their personalities may be different than other times. And some people are "in the middle" on some traits (like for instance Introversion/Extroversion). But I think that a whole lot of people have a general profile that fits. This personality profile test obviously does not say anything about traits like intelligence, emotional intensity, trust, etc.

Goat, stop bein' so damn prickly. I don't want to know who you are...not your name, not your nationality, not whether you are a girl or guy. Just yr damn personality profile. I showed you mine, now you show me yours. Or suffer the stony silence...

GregW=WONK

Everyone boycott the Goat until he reveals himself to us in the Personality Profile.

PP=INTJ

how many gold pcs for the Puff?