JoshK

Times change my friend...seperation of church and state....what dont you get about that? It cuts both ways. Your idea of what is front and center in this country may be different than others. This isn't a christian country and I'm sorry if you are confused on that point. When evaluating an argument against the consitution, like any historic document, you must take context into account. This is exactly what we have a supreme court for. Go read a selection of their rulings over the past 100 years and you'll find example after example of rulings made based on how the document needs to be re-interpreted for modern society. Since a bunch of you are arguing the god stance, the exact same thing can be said about the bible. If you wanted to take that at face value I could murder homosexuals, kill my wife for looking towards another man, kill my neighbor for planting two crops to close to each other in his garden and enslave "lesser" peoples for my own gain.

C'mon Bronco, the pro-choice abortion argument is ridiculous. It's a woman, it's her right. You may be a christian but the government of this country should not be. Honestly, the worst thing for the republican party is the joke of a christian right. As every other society since Christ has proven, the less christianity is associated with the government, the stronger the society becomes. I dont want to turn this into a religious belief, but the fact that the government has any say at all in abortion is a joke. In fact, I dont even think we, as men, have any say. This is one area where the women get to call the shots.

Good. Stay downtrodden and defeated, you miserable fuck. I'll keep working hard, getting rewarded for my efforts and live the lifestyle I desire. Keep digging ditches or living off public assistance you worthless piece of trash. First off all, settle down. It's ok if you are old and bitter, or whatever it is you are, but I'd hate to see you have a stroke over this. Second, I have worked my ass of to get the lifestyle I have. Until recently I worked in a very lucrative job (probably more lucrative than whatever it is you do, since you seem fixated on getting "rewarded") and left it to persue something I love more in life. I may end up getting paid less but I hope to earn back what I dont get in financial reward in the hapiness I get doing whatever it is I will do. I have never taken a cent from the government in any form, so keep at it with your sweeping generalizations.

If it was there when the topo was drawn I would be surprised. Doesn't it seem like they get every other miniscule piece of ice on the topos? They seem pretty accurate in that regard.

So obviously it is pretty well known fact that the glaciers are receeding as a whole. Recently I have become really hooked on terraserver and I've actually found a few places where glaciers appear to exist where they didn't on the older topo maps. Below is an example of the Basin just east of Sitting Bull Mountain, in the glacier peak wilderness. You obviously can't tell for sure, but that large snowpack sure lookes like firn to me. Whadda ya think? NOTE: The topo is at a slightly smaller zoom than the aerial because the topo becomes ridiculously unreadable zoomed any further.

How has the right managed to brainwash the middle class into thinking that the republican party is good for them? Democractic or republican, the rich win no matter what...they stay rich and get richer. It's the rest of us that lose when corporate america and the rich get kickback after kickback. Anyway, with the Iraq is going and the economy, I'm thinking Bushy is finished, so enough with this, bring on more hotties.

Jeebus...how did something that hot come from the genes of the ridiculous looking ape of a president we have? Also, I object to the backdrop...since when have the republicans given a shit about starving people, let alone starving people of color?

My measurements are what is printed on the sole. Most boots will have the number printed somewhere on the plastic along the side of the boot near the bottom.

I have a +15 bag (now granted, it's a marmot, so maybe their ratings are more conservative than REI's) and I use that all winter long. I have never been cold save that night I got my entire bag wet and frozen in boston basin a month ago. That was operator error

The Lady of the lake does indeed have a monopoly, and they own the lodge at teh boat landing too! apart from hiking in from highway 20 (4hrs, flat trail) you can also take the Chelan Airways float plane up, which can go when you want it to, and only take about 25 or 30 minutes. However, this is more expensive so it's best to get a group together and split it. The boat company does have a "high speed" catamaran boat which makes 2 trips to Stehekin a day, but costs almost as much as the plane and takes an hour each way. So what trail from highway 20 gets you there in 4 hours? The shortest way I could find from highway 20 was along the bridge creek trail to the bridge creek camp. That is like 15 or 16 hours, which, granted, I could easily do jogging, but I'm not sure I could swing that with a big pack and skis on my back. Did you mean 15 or 16 miles instead of hours? Also, I'm sure that it would be more than 11 miles from the western Wash. end of the cascade river road, over the pass, and down to Bridge creek. When the road was NOT washed out, it was about 3 miles up to the pass, then ~5 miles to Cottonwood campground at the end of the Stehekin road, and a shuttle. The stehekin road ended at glory Mtn. last summer(~2.5 miles short of cottonwood)and it's another 4 miles along the road to bridge creek, which might be impassable to cars due to last fall's flooding. This whole hike would be even longer if the cascade river road is not repaired. Straight down bridge creek is 12 miles (flat, slight downhill) to the Stehekin road. It's 3 miles to the Fireweed PCT junction where you can take Mcalester creek to Mcalester pass(~6miles), then down rainbow creek to the Bakery(10miles). At Fireweed you can also stay on bridge creek/pct and it's 9 more miles to the Stehekin road, for a 12 mile total walk in. I know of people who bike it, which is a fast option, but mind the parkies. Perfect, this is exactly the info I needed Thanks man. Oh, and yeah, 15 or 16 miles, not hours. I won't be wheelchairing it or crawling it joe simpson style.

Shit, Sky didn't tell me he had a Kilo Plus. I think I'm gonna bail on climbing with him now...

You mean the shit-talking? just keep flinging insults until somebody bites?

The Lady of the lake does indeed have a monopoly, and they own the lodge at teh boat landing too! apart from hiking in from highway 20 (4hrs, flat trail) you can also take the Chelan Airways float plane up, which can go when you want it to, and only take about 25 or 30 minutes. However, this is more expensive so it's best to get a group together and split it. The boat company does have a "high speed" catamaran boat which makes 2 trips to Stehekin a day, but costs almost as much as the plane and takes an hour each way. So what trail from highway 20 gets you there in 4 hours? The shortest way I could find from highway 20 was along the bridge creek trail to the bridge creek camp. That is like 15 or 16 hours, which, granted, I could easily do jogging, but I'm not sure I could swing that with a big pack and skis on my back. I must be missing something. Getting to that bridge creek campground is probably easier coming from cascade pass. It's 11 miles that way, and I know a lot of that is downhill skinning. Granted, you have to climb to get over cascade pass, but that is pretty cake.

Yeah, during the summer season they offer the 50mph boat which also has a morning run. Unfortunately during the "off season" (i.e. not swarming with tourons seasons) there is only one boat and one run.

Huh, seems my more antagonistic approach got more attention I would say it's probably not the best tour if you aren't fairly experienced on tele or touring gear. It has a lot of moderate terrain but also some more advanced stuff. You'd also want to be pretty proficient with general traversing and climbing skills on skis.

C'mon you pussies...

OK, I figure the chances of anybody both having these 4 days off and wanting to do this are pretty slim, but what the hell. I'm thinking of doing a 4 day tour out of Holden village. Basically ski up into the Lyman Lake area and beyond and just generally see some awesome places, ski some great terrain and cover some miles. If anybody is interested, PM me and we could talk about details.

Yah, it's not all of us, some of us burn other things down...

Reposting this as I sort of lost track of selling them last time I've got a pair of 175cm K2 Shuksans. These are last years model, the one with a 75mm waist. They are mounted with tourlite bindings. The skis are drilled for the heel piece to support either a 301 or 308mm boot length. They can also be adjusted a few mm from either of those. Let me know which mounting you want and I'll have the other holes plugged. This is a very light AT setup. They ski just fine, I just got myself a new setup. $150.

Did they know it was a vandal, or could it just be a dipshit that set the thing on fire while trying to light a barbeque with gasoline or something?

Damn...kinda sux. Definitely gives incentives for longer stays up north on lake chelan since you basically loose most of your day both coming and going. In class this morning, many of us noticed the date to great delight

Is there any other way up and down Lake Chelan or does Lady of the lake have a monopoly? Getting to stehikin/holden so late on your arrival day and having to get back so early on your return really sucks.

I like the adventure paper but with as many maps as I print, I would quickly go broke.

I have the serratus icefall. I have been very happy so far. It can't be beat for a pack that is just a shade over $100 US. I haven't heard anything about the stays wearing through; sounds more like a user issue. It's large, carries well, is very adjustable and is cheap. It also has some nice extras like daisy loops and a bungee. It gets from me

Does your real love of bouldering come from the fact that you are always just moments away from another man grabbing your ass?