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gee rainy, should be an easy wager for you and all since modern sport climbing routes are all so massively overrated!!

i don't think finger pulleys weigh that much...

i believe you meant to say "ehh" not "ack"

yesterday that is... my youngest went a whole day with no whoopsies in her pullups! i broke 15lbs for weight loss (now at 132lbs, target is 125lbs or less) sent the stupid prob in the gym that's been fokking with me...

BAWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... fat guys stand on da feet!!!!

Pope...your memory is fading...you told me about the whole 5.11+/bowline thing happening at Little Si (I still have the pm), you even told me the route name (Aborigine)... Who believes any of his BS, anyway? what was that Bruce Springsteen song about the days of yore? Glory Days, all i think about are Glory Daze....

pope....i think you suck at cracks! that 10d to the right of crim of the century or the sword are harder than the boulder problem on ring of fire?? OMFG! You suck at cracks....hahahahaha....you missed your calling as a sporto....

BAWAHAHAHAHA....like that counts...you were female (and still are) and single!!!! "Uhhh, yeah, sure, have at it!" :lmao: chix have it so easy... hey, when's lunch!!!????!!!???!

i love pseudo-physics....

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WTF are you talking about? Wire nuts are prone to falling off of wire gates?? quit smokin' crack and climb it instead...

On El Cap.... they can and do bust you if you bivy on the ground at Elcap...

perfect example of what i'm talking about...one letter grade in difference...big f-ing deal...move on already...

The Kevbone [predicatable and meaningless] Mantra! Uhhh...kev...you've been SLAMMED by the dawg!!! Talk about a bruised ego... :lmao:

My apologies. I didn't intend to complain about anything, only to offer an accurate history of the how and why behind soft sport grades. You're old enough to know I'm right. Do I have a problem with soft sport grades? Not really. When one needs an ego stroke, he knows where to go. The only potential/theoretical problem is when a sport climber decides to borrow a rack. Perhaps he wouldn't expect to have to climb a full grade lower, but he'll figure it out quickly and probably won't get hurt. I've dabbled in sport climbing, just a couple of trips to Smith Rock when it was raining everywhere else. I used to think sport climbing was better than no climbing. Now when the rain falls I'd prefer to ride my mountain bike or hike/scramble. Smith Rock is a long drive....and for what? What I've noticed about sport climbing is that out-of-doors, it's pretty easy. Off the couch and with a beer gut, I climbed 5.11 all day in North Bend. Similar results at Smith. In fact, one year at Smith I got an 11d first try, tied in with a bowline on a coil. With a big-boobied belayer who left six feet of slack in the dirt at all times. The same year I would routinely get shut down on 5.10+ gear climbs. Out doors, sport climbing is easy. All that is required is 2.5 seconds of staying power to make the clips. Natural rock offers purchases for your feet that your typical sport climber fails to see quickly. At the gym, I find the lead climbs incredibly hard. I used to train Sunday mornings with Scotty Hopkins down at the VC and later the VW. I'd be blasted after a couple of 5.10/5.11- leads. The climbs seemed extra physical. You couldn't employ precise foot work to minimize the pump. Out of doors, these grades seemed easy enough to climb all day, sport or gear. see kimmo...i soooo told you that blue/hot pink taped route was 5.X+ at least...even poopy thinks so... Pope...your memory is fading...you told me about the whole 5.11+/bowline thing happening at Little Si (I still have the pm), you even told me the route name (Aborigine)...funny thing...that was a burdo rating when you were up there...the laugher is that its checking in around 11- (a or b) now...maybe it happened at smith also... I'm struggling to think of any 10+ gear routes that i know of that are as hard as the 11+ smith routes (although i do know of some 11+/12- gear routes there that are stout)...maybe some specifics here will help me??? I'm getting old to so my memory is fading as well...

Huh? I have no prob with BJ's. (Get me drunk enough and I might let you "speak into the microphone"). In fact, I think rock climbers should get BJ's, I just think they should get them the old-fashioned way. They should earn them. you volunteering your services?? BAWAHAHAHA SUCK IT!

how come this stupid thread has my name on it???? i don't even climb anymore...

...and of course Mr. Cilley...but he didn't actually say anything... oh yeah, and dwayner, supposin' he actually wins that longstanding bet/dare might be able to say sumpin'...

there was another in this thread who could also qualify for my comment. yeah...tim and now, kimmo...peter wasn't too shabby either...

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yeah...uhhhh...that would be me mentioning the grade thing...and uhhh, the hot pink blue thing is sooo not what they called it...those vicious sandbagging punks... My point, mr. kimmo, was that honestly, if there is a difference between the two, its one to two letter grades, tops...and i'll get into arguments with people over a single route and its rating...its so subjective that the difference is irrelevant... if ratings were 5.X-, 5.X, or 5.X+ the discussion wouldn't even occur. And, further, people in my twenty + on and off years of climbing, really only cared about grades as a measurement stick...sheesh...

yeah...maybe if they halve their stated capacity, then they *might* just test out... Or, maybe they should just "cease and desist" before someone gets their ass killed...

First rate program with a lot of continuity... for me, kids that started there under 10 years old and continue to climb for the team all the way through high school and into college means good things...very few of these kids leave after they've become team members... several national champs in bouldering, speed, and difficulty have come from the program and many US Team members... Look into it...

Thanks Aric... any reaction from CCH??

hence my referencing Ben...keep up with the conversation, porter....