Fence_Sitter

i rhought the first post was worth reading... seemeld like a suprisingly level headed post by none other than trask... kudos...even if this is the only one...

j-gowans... but have you been to albania? i have and i tell you, for the area that it is in, it is making remarkable progress and there is no other country in the area that has managed this much with out significant outside help... you callingthese people (essentially) dumb is offensive to me. I have many friends thqat are albanian and i currently have one as a roomate at the university here... i am sure he would disagree that he is dusm as he is a 3.8 business major... but he is just another dumb albanian right? hmmmk...

you are generalizing jim... i dont think the main stream media is aligned to my political ideals... quite the contrary in fact... i am interested... but i would like to find soemthing objective... i will read the book you suggested, but i merely pointed out a problem with credibility it that he has a dramatic predisposition towards anti-war of any kind. i think that this is an impossible stance to take in this day-in-age and i cant agree on many points that a man that takes that stance woudl propose... i will read it, but with those reservations...

jim- looking for references to the book...no way of finding it here ( in lithuania) but hoping to find mabe a online copy or at least a couple of reviews...thanks for the intrest...

j-gowans... do you know shit about albania? seriously... i have been there... it is ntothe shit hole that you might have seen in a national geographic in 1982... since then there has been a citizen rebellion and they are now in control of their government... i wasn't even talking about albanians though (at least citizenship wise) but rather ethnic albanians ( the ones that were persecuted)... so...read up bucko...

i would also like a 'intellectual' piece, not to refer to the current president of the united states as 'shrubs.' i dont give a shit if you guys do it, (hell i even do) but if i am going to take this guy seriously as an intellectual, i would rather not hear epithets about people whom he is disagreeing with... it makes his arguments seem rather weak...

j gowans- goven your example about the euro's seeing the efects of war... how would you explain the vast, vast majority of the ethnic albanians i know supporting the war? perhaps they knwo what a totalitarian ruler is capable of and would not wish it on their worst enemy? i think that is likely the case...

so i have been reading about chomsky... who is affiliated with Milan Rai... who you may remember is a radical anit-war activist... so this might present a fair amount of bias... if you have a educated, (moderately) unbaised piece of work in which to cite... i would be more than glad to read it and consider your position... lemme know what you come up with...

i dont have a TV... i currently live in lithaunia... and i dont just accept books on mainstream media (which tends to be extremely liberal) suggestions. i will look into this book... but i am not just going to accept the infallibility of it based on some media conglomerate's endorsement...

i'm curious..what are other's sentiments for the UN...personally, i think it neds to be out, or at least have a major overhaul... it seems that its policies are mere suggestions and that it needs some serious weight behind it...one could say that the iraq conflict wouln't have happened (or couldn't have happened) without this weak UN and watered down policies... comments???

jim- why in the hell would we want to read propaganda bullshit that you recomend when you have recomended a person that denies the albanian ethnic cleansing? i am currently going to school with survivors of this tradgedy and if you want to ask them if it really happened, you are more then welcome to... let me know and i will give you their e-mail address... why would i go through the effort to read bull shit, to find out 2 days later (after primary source checking) that is it total aniti-american propaganda and not worht the paper it is printed on? do you have anything that you KNOW (and i repeat know) thatis FACTUAL? if so, i would be more than glad to read it, as i am very interested in figuring this out for myself... cheers...

sounds like an awesome trip..i actually thought about that last season...i am not in good enough shape though probably... i cant even run here as it is so fucking windy right now...but what the hell mabe a few weeks after that would be cool... weather would probably be more stable anyways... lemme know what ya think...

wait..did i just admit that i took DFA seriously at some point in time? damn! must be too much lituanian

Hmm... DFA lets see here: 1) sadam denied having any weapons grade chemicals 2) we found some... which proves that he lied so.... 3) its probably pretty likely that there will be more found as Iraq is a large country with an emense dessert 4) having any weapons such as these are a violation of the peace accord signed after the 1991 altercation... and no...i am not tomcat... what do you propose we do then DFA? give back the missiles and go on our merry way? if they really dont pose a threat to us then why not... when you get done getting by your own preconceived assumptions and realize that this guy is up to no good then i will be able to take you seriously again...

well DFA...it is a little case of logistics... 6 billion people threatened for the entire life-span of Hussein, or a couple of million for a few months (who by the way are already being militarily oppressed as it is)... what aabout the 6 billion? huh? take it hippie

fuckin hippies... will you never accept the facts? the "persticides" and the missiles are two dfferent things! also...if you say that just because they are middle range missiles, they are not a violation...WRONG!!! Iraq cannot have ANY weapons grade chemicals... ANY! so quit your bitchin and support your troops as they fight a now (proven) justified war! one last question...what would it take for you to believe that they have 'weapons of mass destruction'? if this doesn't prove it what will? what are you saying? that they aren't big enough? you dont think that sarin adn mustard gas could inflict damage? ask the vets from WWI they should know... so quit denying the facts and accept that you were wrong you 'infallible' fucks...peace

i am getting back on May 6th, so anytime after the 8th or so (gotta adjust from jet lag...but mabe that would help with the alpine start) i have done it this early before...but it was fun and would like to try it again... see ya soon... p.s. i am very flexible on route selection... -scott

p.s. like my new avatar pic?

WOW! you are pretty mad...especially at something that doesn't exist!

my preference is for BD's on the .5-3.5 and metolius(TCU's) and aliens on the smaller side...i have taken a few pretty big whips on the blue TCU and it is bomber... but i think with any cam, if you lpace it right it will hold, but the main difference is how easy they are to place....BD are easiest ( i think) because they have a larger range (even if they give up some power they are still more than adequate) so i use those, but i like the TCU's on the smaller side because they have a smaller profile, but still have a larger surface area(good for awkward placements and shallow ones as well)... just my 2 cents... gotta eeeenjoy the $$$ aspect of trad...

that is their main concern!?! i am more than willing to let that one slide... granted it leaves room for them to declare 'other' goups terrorist groups...but as is...do you reallly want to give citizenship to a person that wnats to kill you and end your way of life...and moreover...do you think other countries allow this sort of thing? in germany, the nazi party was outlawed...and now you hippies are all supporting it like is the model nation...but if the U.S.A. does it...blow the whistle! you just like to beat up on the red white and blue because it is popular to do so...i am living in europe (even eastern eaurope) and they say the same thing about you pansies...they say that you are just taking cues from france and tyring to fit in and be global...so dont know the U.S. and support a country that is doing the same thing as we speak...

that is not alliteration i dont think.... alliteration is like... glowing green grass or something like that... PubClub4Beelzebub alliterates well too... is what we call rhyming...

JGowans...i have cancelled that trip since i am commin home in a month... gotta work...and climb some cascade classics...cause i am seriously feenin... good luck on your attempt though... i have some contacts that speak english in st. petersburg that are planning climbs...PM me if you want teh info... -scott

as a follow up note...i have done some 4WDing and i know that if you take the average SUV out for a spin a few times...you are gonna be fucked up unless you do some mods to it... i have seen numerous explorers/blazers/exped...whatever out far and this happens because the car companies show these cars in terrain that a stock car would be destroyed in... but if you are just driving up to paradise...why not just buy a hybrid? i think that many just want to buy a subaru because they conform to their hippy 'dirtbag' climber steryotype...but how can you be a dirtbag with a $30,000 SUV? just a question...

yes...but amny of us do...and knowing that you have that need necessitates making an informed decision on which car/truck/whatever to buy rather than just forking over the dough to subaru because they showed a car doing the things you need it to do on the TV...