sk

that was funny!

I'm still climbing in the sportivia enduros I booght when I first started climbing. Mythos will mostlikely be my next shoe. But I find that I complain less about my feet in my enduros than anyone I climb with in their mythos, or aces or anything else. I jam harder for longer and come off the rock still smiling I climb every week and just finaly trashed those wonderful shoes. I will be sad to see them go. but I do need something a little more sensitive now that I am cranking so much harder

Mattp I do not yet know the answer to the question at hand as far as what we should do, but that was stated so well. Thank you [ 06-19-2002, 11:40 AM: Message edited by: sk ]

that was the joke part

easy for you to say PUNK! ever had an alien in your belly for 9 months and then birth 9 pounds of satin spawn that don't sleep for the first year... NOT A GOOD OPTION! once they are old enough to walk they are much better. NO STARTING OVER

cavey, you gotta change that auto sig. I find it oddly distracting.

quote: Originally posted by Off White: quote:Originally posted by sk: hey dennis- did a little dinner recon this evening, got some info that I wanted to share with you. The man that bolted the routes that I hate at flagstone, is in his 40's. Is that gen X? Oh, and those bold leads by the lions of yesteryear? Mostly, done when they were young. Typically, in a bolt war, the real loser is the rock you purport to revere. Put 'em in, pull 'em out, put 'em back in, pull 'em back out, ad nauseum. I guess in all the hyperbole and posture (both sides of course), I'm not clear on what bolts you propose to pull. Are you just going after egregiously placed bolts adjacent to natural pro, or are you out to remove bolt protected face climbs? One might be an effective statement, but the other is likely to get brickbats from both camps. But alas, even I tire of this flapdoodle. Do what you want, but post a TR after the fact. If you want to be bold visionaries, don't sneak around like a terrorist, take responsibility for your actions, and real names too if you please... Off white- The bolts have been placed on an infieror route on a face between two steller routes. It was bolted on a grid and done in the past year and a half some time, by a man who is 45ish and has been climbing for 5 or so years. I will not pull the bolts. how ever I would realy love to see them pulled. The route is a total pain in the ass. to climb 30 feet you pass about 15 bolts. I am not a terrorist. I am not 'earth first', what I would love is for the man who made the obviouse mistake to pull his own route, and fill it. Like that will ever happen! michelle(shelly)krueger [ 06-19-2002, 08:14 AM: Message edited by: sk ]

that could so never happen. he would have to grow balls and loose all that weight. NOT A CHANCE IN HELL.

hey dennis- did a little dinner recon this evening, got some info that I wanted to share with you. The man that bolted the routes that I hate at flagstone, is in his 40's. Is that gen X?

that poor woman. I can't even imagine the pain she must be in. May her heart find peace. their father as well. what a sad sad thing

Tramp harlit trollip... I am the on line girl, just me! amber and daisy can take a hike

I thought allison said I got to be the tramp

we would if we could... maybe another time

I like board lasted cause I like cracks and find they ease some of the pain of the foot jam. But I do find them lacking as far as sensitvity for face climbing for smearing and frictioning. has anyone tried the red chilli's that suposedly have some sort of hibrid board lasted thing??? there found it. Red Chili Sausalito???

Just a thought... Is there any interest in meeting in salem and combining eugene and PDX???

D, I am on your side. What I fear is over regulation, mandatory guides, a license to climb, and other such non fun things... I think over bolting is yucky and have a project for anyone who wants it (here in oregon) I am not a trad climber yet, but I do prefer to follow trad. Although i do enjoy clipping bolts as well. But I think that sport climbing has it's place. I CAN"T SAY THIS ENOUGH!!!!! I AGREE WITH YOU> I guess in my idealistic brain I just wish that all people that went to the mountains would be so kind as to take their trash with them, And leave well enough alone as far as climbs where you can protect. As far as weather someone is right or not about the toy, usualy no. We have very few toys that belong to one child or the other. Very comunal here [ 06-17-2002, 04:13 PM: Message edited by: sk ]

sorry to hear it. I hope your friend recovers quickly sk

What I gathered Eriks point to be was that either side of the coin, is still the same coin. You have to be brave, and think about things in new ways to come up with real solutions... You all have every right to say whatever you want to say, but that is some what like watching my children fight over a toy. "it's mine... no, it's mine." they are both right and they are both wrong... with that kind of debate... well hasn't gotten us very far in the 17 years (bonbon) that our extended comunity has been at it. I realy believe from the bottom of my heart that we have to solve this, or the government will step in, and non of us will have the freedom and fun that we have now. So say what ever you need to say, but keep your mind open so that we have hope to extend to our children the freedoms and adventure that we ALL know and love so well.

Erik- you RULE(dude )

fits with many things as I understand them

children come threw us, not from us. We love them for who they are... not who we would want them to be.

I think the red cross offers that you just have to ask specificly. good luck

nope. Post-Madonna.

that's what I thought. Thank you

Do you have any proof that thease wrong things are being done only by gen xers? I realy want to know.