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NAUGHTY TRASK

you can't get rid of me that easy besides I wouldn't take that goat anywhere

this is me "waiting you out"

despite the fact that you are completely impossible I think we may have reached an understanding. You are correct that I can judge no ones needs but my own. It is my oppinion that *most* environmentalists are not trying to tell people what they *need* so much as asking people to make the best choice possible for any given situation. Just because you have the right to drive your gas guzzeling 4x4 the mile down the driveway to check the mail doesn't mean that you *should*. choose responsably.

quote: Originally posted by fern: it's not a goatee it's a SOUL PATCH what's that?

point: when you travel a short distance you have many choices as there are MANY different kinds of cars. trucks etc. you can also use a motor cycle or ride a bike or god forbid walk! when you travel far away, say Hawaii your choices become more limited. there are ONLY two ways to get there. boat or plane ( well okay you could swim ). Personaly I think it would be great if more ways could be invented, but until that time, don't you think it is wise to make the best choice for each circumstance? and conserve the resorces for where we have limited OPTIONS??? so for example, if more people drove less or drove more fule efficiant vehicals, less harm would be done to the environment, even though those people choose to fly at times. your way seems to be all or none. [ 11-15-2002, 09:20 PM: Message edited by: Muffy The Wanker Sprayer ]

quote: Originally posted by MtnGoat: "But, in the meanwhile, any distance traveled involves some compromises, and since jet-travel is the only way to realistically go on any lengthy journey, I'd consider it a necessary evil, whereas an SUV is hardly necessary, usually existing only as a vanity piece." but if you do not "need" to travel in the first place, the usage of the jet is merely using resources you don't need to use. Traveling by air for pleasure is the same as driving an SUV for pleasure, a discretionary waste of fossil fuels. Why is OK for someone to waste kerosene just because they want to go somewhere, and then rag on someone else who wants to waste gas just to go somewhere closer? It's the arbitrary use of the fuel that is the issue, regardless of how far is traveled IMO. you can not argue perception and perspective as fact. To me, I NEED to go to the mountains, (my counslor agrees ) you however may not need that there is no "right" there is not "ONE WAY"

when I met dru he was verry clean shaven he does seem to like silly hats though

that is an old tierd argument that gets no one anywhere extremisum on any side does more harm than good. I think the point is to do a little. And if everyone did a little, alot would end up getting done as far as preservation goes. but then we are back again at the FACT that some people are stupid and pig headed and can not be taught better ways. Is it realy so hard to recycle? to pack out your trash? to NOT LITTER? to realize that riding a motorized vehical in a designated nature presurve is probably not a great idea? we are at the crux of our diffeence of oppinion, and my general philosophy of life. "personal rights only extend so far, as they do not interfer with someone elses personal rights" but then it pisses me off when people tell me I can't smoke or ask me to put out my cigatrete because it is bothering them. This universe is NOT black and white. Part of the joy of being human is recoginzing out inherant duplicity

quote: Originally posted by trask: I'm glad you qualified your last post with "but not a law", because that sounded awfully authoritarian and Nazi-ish. there should only be 3 laws..... starting with the commen sense law

I firmly believe (yet do not think a law should be passed) that you should drive a car that fits your needs. If you need a big ass vehical and drive over snow and terrain than maybe an suv is not a bad idea. But if you are an over made up she hooker with children that drives to school and work and back again... perhaps a family sadan would more fit your needs. Just my oppinion. You KNOW how I feel about soccer moms

DFA< DOOD YOU GOT A PAGE TOP!!!!!!!

If the majority of people were not stupid assholes we would not need federaly mandated restrictions. too bad you can't sue people for being LAME It would be far better if we could start some kind of campain to convince people that driving an SUV is NOT COOL so that only people that realy NEED the 4 wheel drive AND space would drive the SUV. IMHO more laws are never the answer

dru! it had to have been dru

but then I would have to stop feeling sorry for myself and being down trodden...kicked to the curb...jyped by the system... screwed by THE MAN we will see you tuesday then?

what in THE HELL is that??? he's kinda cute though

this thred is painful, but gregm you are correct.

I thought everyone had

bare nuckles spraying between Dr. smarty pants and Mr. porn My whole day is worth while now

I looked at the only other climbing related bbs I post on, no offending post. What is this some kind of wild goose chase? A way to try and trick me on to some kind of "hiking bbs"

quote: Originally posted by trask: Muffy, why doncha hop on in the car, drive up here and let old trask whisk you away to the darkside. whoo hoooo now I have hot plans

I didn't mean me (snif)

where is "over there?" I though this was the only such bbs

no plans to be excited about no Erik it's WINTER I have already met the sprayin' canadian the best years of my life are gone did I mention it's winter lets pick someone and harsh on them, I'm bored

it has just occured to me that the idea of a "serious sprayer" is in fact a contradiction in terms