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quote: Originally posted by allison: I didn't want to get members' terminations overturned on technicalities, no Rep does! Now I see that the 'corrupt union' thing has come up again. as a 'union insider', so to speak, I've never seen it. How prevalent is it again? Please educate me. Allison, here's my personal example then I'm done with this topic (I promise ). I used to work for an aerospace company designing and building turbine engines; the shop workers were organized under the UAW. Whenever we engineers would design a new part, the specs would be forwarded to a committee called "Make or Buy". This committee was made up of purchasing agents for the company AND a representative of the UAW (not employed in the factory). The new part we needed would be submitted to this committee and they would decide whether it would be made in-house or contracted out to a supplier. At this meeting, the union rep. would pull out the employment jackets on the last round of shop employees who were let go due to poor quality, or whatever, and say, "We (the UAW) will allow you to have this part made outside IF you bring these people back." This happened time and again, and we wondered why we rejected so many bad parts. It was very frustrating and very unfair. There's no need for me to give more examples, so I'll abandon this thread now. We all have our own opinions and experiences; that's cool. Greg W

Thanks for the DVD (VHS & Beta are soooo '80's)

quote: Originally posted by Fence Sitter: take this anyone can get a $10/hr job right? well 50 hours a week that is $500 times 4 is $2000 a month and $24,000 a year...while that is not much...it is the bare minimum that anyone should be making with a highschool degree...any one with any ambition at all will also get additional education whether it be trade schools or university or just aprentice. quit making excuses for those that are not willing to work and have no dreams THIS I agree with. Good math little bro. Don't let Allison's liberal, pro nanny-state rhetoric get you down. Greg W

quote: Originally posted by Cpt.Caveman: I use a bullhorn and whip. They usually get the clue after a whippin or 2. Oooooh, hurts so good Cavey!!

While I don't agree with all that Fenceboy says, I do believe that EVERYONE can take advantage of opportunity when it knocks. At some point we all choose to make something of our lives or not. It all begins with choices. Greg W

quote: Originally posted by Dr Flash Amazing: You think the hordes of people who can barely afford those 33-cent loaves of air bread at Safeway don't dream of getting out of their poverty shithole? Give DFA a fucking break. There's a hell of a lot more involved in whether someone is poor and stays poor than their ambition. Throw in a child or two, injuries or illness, addictions, etc., and your minimum wage job isn't going to be doing a whole lot for you. You just proved my point that it is all about CHOICES. Make the wrong choice and you could be fucked, but the choice is there for each individual to make.

LUCKY; Erik doesn't need me to defend him, but I think you're out of line. I think you're being the wanker; Erik is just voicing his opinion like everyone else on this site. Greg W

Whatever, Chuck. Much ado about nothing, in my book.

quote: Originally posted by Charlie: special rate for anyone who comes to my office wearing a helmet with thier name taped on it Saw a bunch of those this weekend. They look shocked that you know their name; they must forget it's there.

Chuck - Lighten up, there, bud. I don't condone beating up chics. Some chics just seem to like a bit more athletic amorous adventure than others.

quote: Originally posted by chucK: Ever notice how whenever something really shocking like someone dieing or someone beating up girls comes up, that the board sorta goes dead for a while? What do you mean?

quote: Originally posted by Peter Puget: quote:Originally posted by Greg W: [QBAllison, you union bitch So that's your secret to getting women. You little charmer.[/QB] It weeds out the weak ones and brings in the ones who like the rough stuff. What can I say?

No cell phone this time, dude; pre-order your helo rescue before you go. It's a pilot Forest Service program.

quote: Originally posted by Cobra: Unions are just another form of politics. I read that to say that unions no longer exist solely for the betterment of their members Rather, they exist for the betterment of themselves (i.e., more dues coming in) and the leadership. Why is it that union leaders can't seem to keep their hands out of the cookie jar? Greg W

quote: Originally posted by chucK: Ah, but there's the rub, the crux of this whole debate (I think ). chucK, you're right it's not easy but it can be done. I have looked for a new job while still employed and been successful at it. At one point in my career I did not have the "freedom" to go job hunting, like you said, as I was the primary wage-earner. When that situation changed, I took advantage of it. No one ever said that the right to pursue happiness would be easy, but it does pay off. Greg

You're right, Allison; labor unions set wage rates through extortion, threats, and intimidation. You're wrong, union wage rates don't do shit for what I make. "Prevailing Wage" is bullshit; this is a political ploy and costs the taxpayers more money when public jobs are awarded. Your union dues don't affect my life one iota; except when I have to listen to some union puke whine on one of my jobs because he has to carry a stick of rebar 10 extra feet. Unions have outlived their usefulness. Now they are nothing more than a vehicle to extort from employers and to serve as a hiding place for useless people who hide behind the implied threat of union repercussions. Why should a third party have the right to tell my boss what he should pay an individual? Don't try and tell me that none of the stuff I mentioned doesn't happen because I do, or have, dealt with all of it my entire career with more than just one union. Allison, you are a perfect example of the sheep that the unions love to get ahold of and program to spew their brand of crap. Greg W

quote: Originally posted by Cobra: I think some may "want" to work hard until the work is in their face. Then they just get lazy or blow it off. My guess is that 1 out of ten will show the desire to excel and work hard for promotion. Most of the others may likely just work well when it is convenient for them to try to make themselves look good. You just proved why 10% of the citizens have 80% of the wealth, as Dru said.

quote: Originally posted by allison: Ah, Greg's a scab. Now it all makes sense. I've been accused of being a name-caller before, which I haven't. NOW you can call me a name-caller. Here's to scab construction labor: PS. Petey, you know I love you to pieces, but that's also a load of horsedukey. A lot of employers are requiring employees to work less than FT so that they don't get near overtime, and so that they don't qualify for other benefits such as vacation, health care, and retirement. Allison, you union bitch. Union labor/extortion is the reason cars are so expensive and road improvement costs so much. Okay, how that the namecalling is out of the way. Actually, many small employers cannot afford the excessive payroll taxes and other costs of doing business (especially in the state of Washington). An individual has the right to move to a different employer if he wants more money, better benefits, etc. Greg W

quote: Originally posted by Stefan: Ever been to Pakistan? Those porters carry 50lb packs from 10K to 16K in plastic shoes and flip flops on glaciers. They sure as hell aint lazy and guess what? They are poor even by Pakistani standards. Pakistan is not the United States, Stefan. We have the richest "poor" in the world.

Allison - funny that people did it before being a bum ("homeless" to you PC folks) was socially acceptable. Chuck - Fency's modest $10 premise is a good one. Here's why I think so: A $10/hr semi-skilled construction laborer with a little ambition can move up to a 2nd or 3rd level carpenter making $14-16, after a few years he can make 1st level making $18-22. Beyond that there are foreman and supervisory roles. This example comes from my company (non-union concrete construction) where I have seen this take place. Guys start out knowing nothing, show some promise and drive, and move up. Greg W

Trask is a butt surfer, is that the same? [ 09-09-2002, 09:58 AM: Message edited by: Greg W ]

quote: Originally posted by sk: trickle down economics is a load of crap... what I am most sad about is the dissapearance of the middle class. Then explain why the '80's produced such incredible wealth and raised income levels in ALL classes, and produced an incredibly high level of charitable giving. The middle class has "disappeared" because the liberals have reclassified someone who makes $50,000 as "rich"; It's a smoke-and-mirrors thing. Greg W Page top on a Monday, Wahoo!! [ 09-09-2002, 08:57 AM: Message edited by: Greg W ]

quote: Originally posted by Dru: If you want to grow the economy then its better to give money to the poor than to the rich, cause the money will continue to circulate. Handouts do not work (not in the U.S., anyway). People need to EARN a living and invest in themselves. WHy should I GIVE my hard-earned money to some shmoe sitting on his ass? That is highly offensive to me. Peace, Dru. Greg W

quote: Originally posted by Dru: yeah back in the day when the richest 10% only had 50% of the wealth (it's 10% have 80% nowadays... and rising) Those 10% spend most of the money and pay most of the taxes in the U.S. What is this "hate-the-rich" class envy bullshit? Greg W

quote: Originally posted by Bug: Mangos, bananas, and my personal favorite, coffee, all come to this country at an affordable price because of the poor schmucks who work for pennies a day. That pay scale is also why you will never see clothing manufacturers come back to the US en mass. Without some sort of global awareness we will be peeing in our own soup. Dipshits! We can no longer pretend we are able to exhist on our own. Or are you as willing to go back to making 50 cents a day as you are to shoot poor people? You are a deluded moron.