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yer right, only buffalo cops should act this way shit though, st louis does get some decent snow right? never did more than drive through...

suprised they didn't go along stalling the grand jury until there was 6 foot of snow on the ground

the american system is much inclined to create presidents that fit the old roman title, though thankfully they honor it in the strict original sense as well

yes, i believe more than a few folks called jefferson that i actually remember wandering through that house a few times - pretty much all the "stat-frats" off the mad-bowl we're chock full'o'assholes - never heard anything about gang rape in my 5 years then, but remember one of them houses on the mad bowl getting in deep shit for an ante-bellum theme party they threw where they hired black homeless guys to pick up cotton-balls out in the yard - jesus h christ, how'd that shit not invite the kiss of death? the small houses like mine were generally chill places w/ moderate sized egos though - worst we ever did was throw an easter party w/a life-sized paper-mache jesus wine dispenser on a cross virginians have been raging shits since way back - it was like, in all the papers crazy shit to be sure and i'll be happy when it's a thing of the past, just can't imagine how or when that'd ever be - hard to take the asshole out of human beings, especially in the sweet sunny south

am i the only cavalier round here? kinda feels that way. gawdamn, seems our sweet university can't content itself just to be shitty at sports these days, we gotta go out n' fine new ways to suck. surprised them professional news boys ain't made the connection yet - doesn't seem so hard - our school was founded by a confirmed rapist (n' third president of the usa), no?

yup, i was defending eugenics all right i couldn't give a fart in a stiff breeze for old shaw or his ideas- i have actually had the very surgery used by american states that engaged in eugenics though (didn't learn that until after the surgeon already had my nuts well chilled ) so at least i can emphatize w/ what them poor fellers endured...

sure wish zion was closer...

to-do list: - get back w/ liz - get life sorted out - solve pi - get some red on me - eat more walnuts _______________________ pagan games w/ modern gadgets the fire transformed and canned in gleaming things for their faceless habits _________________________ oh the power of potent kool-aid how it courses through the veins of every revolutionary heads will fall and bodies roll lives destroyed such a terrible toll when a pact with rabid bullshit is made ____________________________ pilgrims in an unholy land ___________________________ every guy here a gallic hillsman kitted out in flesh and ochre as ready to be led as the proverbial deaf helmsman ____________________________

not so suprising really - very popular ideas at the time, no? can't argue w/ the basic premise in the clip though "you must know a dozen or so people who are of no use" anyhow, worth pointing out a line from his wiki entry: "Shaw often used satiric irony to mock those who took eugenics to inhumane extremes and commentators have sometimes failed to take this into account."

from what i know of shaw i wouldn't be suprised if he wanted to kill everyone and i couldn't judge him for it neither that said, your 1 minute clip leaves me certainly befuddled as to the context - what i heard there could easily be taken as satire your comment prompted some hard-hitting research on my part - nielsen says honey boo-boo got 2.8 million for its finale in 2012 and cosmos priemered w/ 8.5 million viewers this year, so thank you for reviving my confidence in my fellow meat-puppets comedy aside, it's not that un-serious a point - neil de grasse tyson as dictator-for-life dont make me shudder near so much as mama-june - same weekend as the cosmos priemered though the walking dead crushed it by far, n' i aint got no faith in folks who idealize a band of fools who respond to a zombie apocalypse by setting up an unwired camp backed up on an abandoned quarry

i never voted for plato, truth be told, and looking for inspiration from greeks given the good times on display there for the past two millenia ain't exactly inspiring neither still, if i had to choose between handing over the tiller of state to either the cast of "cosmos" or "honey fucking boo-boo," i can't say it'd take me much musing to make the call - how about you?

no contest

new or old skewl uhura? there is a difference.

isn't that what the whole platonic philosopher-king thang was all about?

i would speak in defense of the epa, but i just simply watched ghostbusters too many times as a kid to trust them walter peck types fuckit, what am i saying, even walter peck probably wasn't a big enough asshole to fit in w/ these boys...

when you have a hammer...

ole'abe coulda made walt whitman a very, very happy man

not smart enough to avoid english situational comedies though

so do you disagree w/ crawford's conclusion or not? if he is in fact correct, that on nov 21, 1864 lincoln did write a letter which contained that quote, requoting it 150 years later would in fact be "preserving the record." at any rate, if you look upthread you'll see i wasn't trying to "score political points" but rather connecting a snarky comment on corporations to a quote i'd heard from lincoln about corporations. regardless of the authenticity of the quote, what do you think lincoln would have made of the rampant corruption of the gilded age that corresponded w/ the rise of corporations?

Yea... except the native culture actually WAS annihilated. yet their warm springs radio station is always rocking when i pass through on the way to smith

another snopes page makes a contradictory conclusion and doesn't have the hoof-prints of bat-shit crazy (not to mean that i think the one you point at does either) - i would not accuse myself of tweaking history as i have an open mind on the quote and am quite capable of being persuaded it is in fact bullshit - like herotodus himself, i took into account the source by which i first heard the excerpt and have a healthy superstition of it - from another snopes thread (http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=2128&page=3): What Lincoln Foresaw: Corporations Being "Enthroned" After the Civil War and Re-Writing the Laws Defining Their Existence by Rick Crawford, crawford@cs.ucdavis.edu Here is a sobering quote by Abe Lincoln: "I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. . . . corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed." -- U.S. President Abraham Lincoln, Nov. 21, 1864 (letter to Col. William F. Elkins) Ref: The Lincoln Encyclopedia, Archer H. Shaw (Macmillan, 1950, NY) Some people expressed doubts about its authenticity, given Lincoln's work as an attorney for railroad corporations! It was an interesting job tracking it down and verifying its authenticity. The first ref I heard for this quote was Jack London's 1908 Iron Heel. And although the quote indeed appears there (near p. 100), Jack London offered neither context nor source. More recently, David Korten's book, When Corporations Rule the World (1995, Kumarian Press), sources the quote to Harvey Wasserman (America Born and Reborn, Macmillan, 1983, p. 89-90, 313), who in turn sources it to Paha Sapa Reports, the newspaper of the Black Hills Alliance, Rapid City, South Dakota, 4 March 1982. But given Wasserman's ties to Howard Zinn, and his status as co-founder (?) of the Liberation News Service, citing that kind of trail is like waving a red flag for the skeptics ;-) Fortunately, after some burrowing in the univ. library, I was able to confirm its authenticity. Here it is, with more surrounding context: "We may congratulate ourselves that this cruel war is nearing its end. It has cost a vast amount of treasure and blood. . . . It has indeed been a trying hour for the Republic; but I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed. I feel at this moment more anxiety for the safety of my country than ever before, even in the midst of war. God grant that my suspicions may prove groundless." The passage appears in a letter from Lincoln to (Col.) William F. Elkins, Nov. 21, 1864. For a reliable pedigree, cite p. 40 of The Lincoln Encyclopedia, by Archer H. Shaw (Macmillan, 1950, NY). That traces the quote's lineage to p. 954 of Abraham Lincoln: A New Portrait, (Vol. 2) by Emanuel Hertz (Horace Liveright Inc, 1931, NY). Based on about 3 hrs of research, it appears Lincoln has been extensively SANITIZED FOR OUR PROTECTION. The Hidden Lincoln; from the Letters and Papers of William H. Herndon, by Emanuel Hertz (Viking Press, 1938, NY), details how Herndon (Lincoln's lifelong law partner) collected an extensive oral history and aggregated much of Lincoln's writings into a collection that served as the basis for many "authoritative" books on Lincoln. By all accounts, Herndon was scrupulously honest and plainspoken. Hertz quotes Herndon's characterization of the various "big-name" authors who relied on his collection for primary source materials: "They are aiming, first, to do a superb piece of literary work; second, to make the story WITH THE CLASSES AS AGAINST THE MASSES. [my emphasis added] It will result in delineating the real Lincoln about as well as does a wax figure in the museum." In several books, I found numerous places where Lincoln spoke about Capital and Labor ("Workingmen"). Lincoln re-used his own material frequently, and virtually identical passages appear in several places. Lincoln praises the moral rightness of both Capital and Labor, but this is invariably in the context of a nation where NO MORE THAN ONE MAN IN EIGHT is a Capitalist or a Laborer, ie, where 7/8 of the population are "self-employed" on their own farms and homesteads. This social context of general self-sufficiency would explain how Lincoln could serve for years as a railroad corporation lawyer with (apparently) no qualms, yet pen the "corporations enthroned" passage to Elkins. A final Lincoln tidbit, although it pertains to one very specific case: "These capitalists generally act harmoniously and in concert to fleece the people, and now that they have got into a quarrel with themselves, we are called upon to appropriate the people's money to settle the quarrel." speech to Illinois legislature, Jan. 1837. See Vol. 1, p. 24 of Lincoln's Complete Works, ed. by Nicolay and Hay, 1905) -rick crawford@cs.ucdavis.edu

the american republic seems to enjoy a reputation similiar to the native american civilization it conquered: always supposed on the brink of annihiliation, predicted to be gone tomorrow, yet somehow still here after all these years

hard to find a greater illustration of brevity being the soul of wit though, no? i like that the photographer didn't have time to get a picture of the big man before he was hustling off the stage, and that lincoln's first reaction to the slight applause was "that speech won't scour."

can't remember when i first ran into it - the internets seem to disagree on its authenticity with decent-looking cases both for and against - even if true, it wouldn't make lincoln the only republican war-time president to get the heebie-jeebies on the subject, no?

you think halliburton'ed ponied up?