Gary_Yngve

bicycle commuting? backcountry skiing? motorcycle riding? staying in a motel in twisp? paragliding? serving in Iraq or Afghanistan? (certainly each activity also has a gradient of risk that one might choose to take) Craig Luebben's recent death made us question that, even with skill/experience/good judgment, not all accidents are preventable, and furthermore, some folks have given up alpine climbing in light of having kids. But are other activities more or less dangerous, or perceived as such? Do folks w/ kids give up those activities?

E-rock, you make a good point, and thanks for keeping the ad hominems away. I agree that kids should not become collateral damage from a political debate, just as Palestinian civilians shouldn't be killed when Hamas fires rockets from their houses and uses them as human shields. However it's a tough call on whether to play fair with someone who's not playing by the rules. The moral high ground could cost you victory from being tactically limited, or playing dirty back could cost you the victory by turning public opinions against you. You certainly got it right that her statements combined with her cult following really grate me. I would have a more conservative political stance if folks such as her, Newt, Rush, and Pat Robertson were not present.

Healthcare affects everyone, black or white. So how come the protesters are disproportionately white?

Yawn. I presented a sample size of several hundred. You present a sample size of 3. Look, it's trivial for me to keep playing this game, especially because the burden is on you to verify your hypothesis. Jackson, MS. 28% white. http://jacksonms.areaconnect.com/statistics.htm Tea Party protest from Jackson, MS (photo not embedded here because it's too large) http://msteaparty.ning.com/photo/jackson-ms-tea-party-4152009-23?context=latest The point is if you go to a ballgame, the mall, the DMV, a public beach, you will see a diverse population that is representative of the whole population. If you go to a Tea Party / Healthcare Protest, the population does not seem diverse. Healthcare should not be determined based on one's ethnicity, gender, etc. So how come all the healthcare protesters seem overwhelmingly Caucasian? Something smells rotten, and we're not in Denmark.

Throughout this entire thread, I have been very careful not to make any comments myself regarding Palin's children in specific. Seeing the vivid descriptions that you guys are so quick to spew, I can't help but think that you guys cannot see your own hypocrisy in the mirror, that you guys can't leave her kids alone.

This is not about my views on healthcare. It's about Palin's hypocrisy. A month ago she was saying to the media, "Leave my kids alone."

How simple can I make it? If she wants the media to leave her kids alone, all she needs to do is stop talking about her kids! That's it. It's the media's job to question, investigate, cross-examine.. if you don't want them doing that, don't bring it up in the first place.

Googling again.. looks like 78% white in 2000, and should be more diverse now. http://www.epodunk.com/cgi-bin/popInfo.php?locIndex=19077 That would mean in that photo, one in five people should have been nonwhite. This is too easy.

Been to the vicinity of Asheville many times. My grandfather lived in Hendersonville. But that's not the point. The point is someone stated it would be a diverse crowd protesting healthcare in a southern state. I produced a counter-example within a minute of googling. That is all.

http://ashevilleteaparty.wordpress.com/2009/07/18/july-17th-nationalized-healthcare-protest/

We should have a CC gathering there some time and try to discover harder problems on the wall.. it's all about creating a route by "eliminating" features/holds.

One way I've done it is up the east, down the west to the notch, back up the west, and then down the east ledges.

Palin was recently quoted as saying that the new healthcare plan will harm her son Trig. I thought she told the media to leave her kids alone. In my opinion, as soon as she starts parading her kids, they are fair game to the media. She cannot have it both ways.

He may have had a defensible argument had a kid peed on his rope. Otherwise reminds me of this dude on NWHikers whining that boyscouts at a car-campground are being too loud at 8PM... http://www.nwhikers.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7977217&highlight=

wow, it's crazy how many folks in the story were pursuing phds or were professors. was that just draft-dodging, or mostly that climbing has become more mainstream since then?

maybe the team members didn't like contador, because he wasn't a good leader and didn't treat them well. that's certainly what it's seemed like based on his comments.

because Armstrong was working for the team when he challenged Contador for leadership? when did he challenge contador? he never did anything to compromise contador's lead. the only thing was the over-dramatized move that lance cued onto in stage 2, which contador wasn't in position for. there were plenty of times that lance could have attacked, but instead stayed back w/ wiggins, schlecks, etc.

or maybe he'll bonk again, like he did paris-nice.

Ya, but if contador were on a pussy team, he probably would not have won. He owes his team some respect. Contador has also had a bad attitude wrt media regarding doping. Why can't he say his vo2max? Also contador wasn't pulling his fair share in the tour... Sure the other riders could by loser whiners, but i think they have a point contador might be what beckey is to climbing... A superstar, but not a charismatic leader

Lol.. It is a bit hot outside, eh?

i'm not a lance fan. he's actually way cooler now that he's not #1. though i think it would be cool if lance could ride the tour for the next ten years and be the granddaddy of the grupetto eventually. this year the schleck duo was cool, as was thor hushvold.

he needs to stfu and thank lance for helping him win

It wouldn't be buggy comparatively. I'm envisioning a cross between Amazon's supply chain and Salesforce's CRM service.

correction, toking in the muir hut contributes to climate change.

All forms of healthcare, public or private, could really use a major IT overhaul to modern technology. Might be easier to swing it in the public sector. Maybe next we could finally convert to metrics..