CraigA

As I continue to look through the facts (and BS) I stand by my earlier statement that it's all in who's paying the bills. The "mudslinging" between Grist and Greening Earth is right in line with political campaigning. As I read what Grist had to say about Greening Earth I was drawn to the statement Grist made: "Grist's own Heat Beat reports that the planet's 12 warmest years on record have all occurred since 1980 and that the 1990s have been the warmest decade in an estimated 1,200 years." Correct me if I'm wrong but I didn't know we had weather records that went back 1,200 years. Anyway, I'm not going to say that Greening Earth's points are all correct and Grist or IPCC are all correct. I believe the "real truth" is somewhere in the middle: doomsday is not tomorrow or next week, but we absolutely do need to change the way we do things. I find it disturbing that we have to dig so deep to try and get to the bottom of anything because you can't believe what the "experts" have to say. Their agenda is loading their pockets (not for profit or not) and "real science" takes a back seat to this. Hey, how's this for the new theory: Global warming is being caused by body heat. Think about it, more than 6 billion people. We've all been in crowded rooms, overpopulation=global warming. Sorry, I'm just trying to keep things somewhat lite. Let's face it, whether or not "we" are causing global warming or it's just cyclical it's time for a change. But unfortunately for all of us.....MONEY TALKS! And the more of it you have the more reports you can fund to prove your right and the other guy is wrong. So I'll keep digging and sifting through the reports and culminating my own opinions. Hopefully in the end the planet will prevail. Time for me to step down off my soap box and finish up a few things before I leave for Hawaii on Saturday. I have really enjoyed this thread and will check back on it when I get back. Have fun all and stay safe out there! Craig [ 07-18-2002, 06:47 PM: Message edited by: CraigA ]

I found a really good article on this subject. It's rather lengthy but the data seems to speak for itself. http://www.greeningearthsociety.org/Articles/2000/surface1.htm I especially liked how he showed that the critical areas of warming (as speculated by the IPCC) are the poles. So when the data is looked at from the poles, where most common errors in reporting do NOT occur, we should find a good warming trend. Since all "global warming models" show the poles warming the most/fastest. Guess what they find when examining the data? No change! Put simply.....no warming in the poles. Kind of throws a big monkey wrench into the models eh? Anyway, check out the article. And take the time to follow up on the references he mentions. It is a very well written and documented paper. Again, I am not saying we do not have problems with what we're putting into our air, but I am becoming more and more convinced that it is not effecting the earths temperature. The quality of our air and thereby the quality of our lives....yes, but not the temperature. Craig [ 07-17-2002, 06:01 PM: Message edited by: CraigA ]

No prob! I just hope I don't have any trouble getting it on to the airplane. [ 07-17-2002, 05:01 PM: Message edited by: CraigA ]

What a bummer, I hope it turns up! I'll let a friend of mine know, he might be heading there this weekend. Good luck, Craig

I'm heading to Hawaii next week... (long overdue vacation). Anywho, we're going to O'ahu and I was wondering if anyone knows of any MUST-DO hiking trails. I'm looking for great views and a little seclusion would be nice. I've been researching what I can but first-hand info is generally the best. Difficulty doesn't matter but I'd like to keep them to day hikes (I'm not taking overnight gear). I'm also not opposed to a long day of hiking so distance isn't important either, as long as it's possible for one day. If you've been there and done a hike that you would absolutely do again please let me know. Thanks (and aloha), Craig

Well, this was some of the better reading I've found here in a while. So here's my two-cents: Since the end of the last ice-age the earth has been "warming". That, I would say, is a point of fact. If it wasn't I think we'd all be under a couple miles of ice. How much will the earth warm before it "cycles" back to another ice-age? Hang around a few thousand years and find out. Maybe it won't; all planets die and maybe earth is on it's last leg. But, earth cycles are long in human terms: 75 year life span isn't squat to a rock that millions or billions of years old! So, I'm not going to run up lots of debt and expect the apocalypse to bail me out. So the question: Are humans helping this warming process? Hell if I know. From what I've read and heard it all depends on who's "paying the bills". I agree with MtnGoat that we do not have good data for a baseline temp (if one even exist) so it becomes very difficult to say what is going on. I feel to say "It's all our fault" is just as wrong as to say that all the pollutants we're pumping into our atmosphere has absolutely no effect. I feel money would be better spent trying to clean up our air and water so we (as humans) might be around long enough to see how the whole "Earth Temperature" thing pans out. Alternate fuels.....I'd love to one and I think we will fairly soon. So until then, I'll continue to drive to the trailhead and pack in and see as much of this beautiful country as I can. And I'll do my part to make sure nobody knows I was there by "leaving no trace". I'm assuming, of course, that the next person also wants to enjoy the view and not see my garbage or read on a rock that "I was here". That's a proveable, repeatable, non-scientific approach to "enviromentalism" that we can all practice so others can enjoy the wilds. Craig

My first summit was St. Helens via the very technical, very exposed Worm Flows route It took us two attempts, first one was thrwarted by snow and 60mph+ winds; viz of about 30 feet. The second attempt the next week was beautiful, lots of sun and calm winds. Standing on the summit looking into the crater I felt very insignificant, pictures do not do it justice; it has to be seen to be appreciated. I felt like I had conquered Mt. Everest and wanted more. The next month, knowing very (and I mean VERY) little we headed up Hood from the south side. Now I can't get enough, my biggest problem is finding a partner with similar ambitions, but I keep looking and climbing, solo if I have to. It's too much fun to pass up on! Craig

OK, OK, I think I have this....let me see...mmmkay...in summary I think....mmmkay...rope goes bad from any kind of storage....got it.....ABSOLUTELY DO NOT STORE ABOVE 84.9 degrees...mmmkay...got it (shit, room is above that)......if I gain weight though, it will still hold my fall....got it...don't let dog FIGHTO, OUT, drop it NOW...mmmkay.....and 45th and University/clown suit......wew! Thanks alot guys, mmmkay, don't know what I would've done without ya. Anyone game for some cragging on Friday with a death rope with a melted core? [ 07-09-2002, 04:13 PM: Message edited by: CraigA ]

I have a "dumb" question. The room I store my climbing gear in gets pretty warm this time of year (no air conditioning available for that room), could this be a problem for my rope? When I say warm I don't mean sickening hot, but it will get up to about 85* or more. The rope is in a rope bag and not in direct sun. I'm assuming this will not be a problem, but since rope is kinda an important safety item I thought I'd toss out the question. Thanks, Craig And hey, if anyone wants to make me break out my rope this Friday, I have the day off and would love to do something local (Portland area) or within an hour or two of Portland. [ 07-08-2002, 11:28 PM: Message edited by: CraigA ]

Told ya!

rperitore, I think the headwall looked pretty shitty. There was a constant rain of rock coming down it, and I mean constant! Not just the little stuff either. I saw one slide that must have been about 150 feet wide come sweeping down; almost all rock! Good luck, Craig

Has anyone tried any of the computer topo maps? I was wondering about their detail and accuracy. I've seen a few and they all seem to be around $100 give or take a little. It would be nice to be able to print out the exact area your going but, if the detail and info isn't there then I'd just as soon go buy the USGS maps. Any info will be appreciated. Craig

My plan was to leave Vancouver (WA) about 7-8am this would put me at Killen Creek by 9-10am; strike one...overslept and didn't leave until 11:00am. I found out before I left that I had to go to Randle because the roads from Trout Lake were not open to Killen Creek. No problem. Except I forgot my map that shows the roads north of Killen Creek and had to stop and ask the rangers.....BIG MISTAKE!!! They give me directions (oh, did I say there was road construction between I-5 and Randle, sat at a complete stop for 20 min. on two occasions) which turned out bogus, so I spent an extra hour driving around the back roads before I finally found it. The road was clear all the way to Killen Creek but blocked about 1/3 mile from trailhead. So, there I was gearing up and leaving the truck, not 10am as planned but 4:00pm strike two. I tried to hold a good pace and managed to get to camp site at 7100ft in 3 hours; not too bad but I was shooting for camping at 8500ft. So I crashed out at 9:30pm and was "lullabied" to sleep by the Adams Glacier breaking and crashing, I got up at 3:30. As I got closer and closer to the ridge I kept thinking how the #$@% do you climb that SOB! It looks far worse than it is when you actually get on it. I took a break just before the first gendarme and a mountain goat walks up to about 20ft....WAY COOL! I continue up and the one time I got into the snow it was very soft, sunk up to my thigh twice. By the time I reached 9800ft I was 3 hours into the route (not bad, a little over half the route down) but, I was now facing an approximate 100 yard snow run up a 45* shoot and the snow was even softer. This shoot was across a gully that ended in a cliff. After one butt-puckering slip I ruled this over my self-imposed limit of risk. I went back to the rocks, looked it over and couldn't come up with a way around it. I have promised both my wife and myself that if I do not feel comfortable with something I'll back off it...so I did. I believe if you go into it with doubt or fear, then there is a higher chance of making a mistake. Strike three The route was probably ok, and a better climber might have breezed right up that gully, but hey, the route isn't going anywhere and I will be back. All in all, I had fun. This was my biggest undertaking solo (I know, the North Ridge of Adams is not a big undertaking. But, compared to the South Side of Hood, I'd say it is) and I enjoyed every minute of it. I had the entire side of the mountain to myself...not one other person. Enjoyed a beautiful sunset, and watched the moonset as I ate breadfast. Sorry I got so long winded, Craig [ 06-22-2002, 08:35 PM: Message edited by: CraigA ]

Another question. If he decided to do any alpine, just how strong would a snow bridge need to be? With his frigging opinions and attitude he'd bitch about sport and trad climbers. Hell, he'd bitch about ANYONE not doing it EXACTLY like he does! = Dinner at Rush basecamp.

I am considering soloing (since I can't find a partner) the north ridge on Adams. I was wondering if there are any crevasse issue's from the top of the ridge to the west and true summit's as you cross the ice cap? I've only climbed Mazama Glacier and I'm not familar with the ice cap from the north. If you have any info on this please let me know. Thanks, Craig

quote: Originally posted by crazypolishbob: i hope that there is more accidents like that to wake up your sorry asses up. Relax, take a deep breath deep. We get your point get. But wishing more deaths on other climbers other is not cool not. Have fun, enjoy the mountains, and climb safe climb. Craig

I'm looking to climb either Leuthold or Wy'East on Mt. Hood this Friday; that's right the day after tomorrow. All my partners are wimping out so I'm looking for someone to join me. Conditions look like Leuthold will be a better option but, I'm not ruling Wy'East out. If you have any current info on either of these routes I'd appreciate it! If this sounds like more fun than going to work then email me: golf4fun72@attbi.com Craig

Hey I found it. http://www.katu.com/news/story.asp?ID=46521 Craig [ 05-24-2002, 10:59 PM: Message edited by: CraigA ]

So, anyone got any info on the death on Mt. Hood? I've heard someone tried snowboarding from the summit down the North Face or Cooper Spur (who I heard it from was unsure).

Chuck umm, well, no wait, what I mean is.........have I started yet? Oh yeh, I was......no, I mean I am....no.....ah to Hell with it. Your sig rocks.

Congrats Marek. Someday I hope to travel and climb! Craig

Alex, did you cross the bergshrund on the snow bridge that can be seen in picture number 8 immediately to the right and a little below the climber in the picture? Craig

I understand Meadows has plans for a super high-speed triple-quad lift up the Coe. It's part of the expansion plan and will be there new and only double-black-diamond run!!!

Ok, Ok, I'm probably the only member who hasn't responded to this thread. Now I have.

So, is this route coming "in" or is it still early?