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Hey, SC, I know someone who was born and raised in Venezuela, and still has family living there. His feeling is that Chavez is NOT helping the impoverished in a meaningful, positive way, and he is quite concerned for his family as the government becomes Marxist and totalitarian. Oh wow kaskadhsdhhfks, you are fairweather now? thanks for that terrifically meaningful and insightful input.

hey dru, nothing personal, but i don't want to hear about some other man's shit problems right after finishing digging out a log the size of george bush's neck from my straining asshole. i'm sure you understand.

no i didn't hear about no fucking constipated mathematician, nor do i want to, and it was lacquered, so it washed off real easy.

I had to use a fucking CHOP-STICK to pry loose a shit that was stuck in my asshole. motherfucker time to start eating some greens yo.

I wouldn't want to assume anything, but it seems as though you favor some state intervention in the economy, yes, with the degree of that intervention being the only thing in question?

jayb, would you consider the federal reserve's role in setting interest rates something that amounts to "price control"? and are laws against "price gouging" a form of price control in your eyes?

sometimes you have to read between the lines, my friend. soft focus usually helps.

and thomas jefferson.

propriety my friend, propriety. next you'll be eating salad with the dinner fork. shame.

Nice trap. Our own government already has a nasty propensity re agricultural prices/subsidies. Should be scrapped. you don't think the viability of our domestic food supply should be protected?

ah not that many empty bldgs that fit a decent gym profile, actually. and commercial space prices have gone way up in the last couple of years.

not a trap necessarily. he spoke disparagingly of venezuelan price controls; i simply want to know if this position of his is consistent throughout the economic and political spectrum.

jayb, would there ever be an occasion when you would support a federally instituted price control?

so now his support comes simply from mobs? crazy.

checked it myself: certain services, food items, etc.

is he instituting price controls? Yes. how and where?

it's funny that you tacitly supported the status quo of venezuela when over 70% there lived in poverty, but when perhaps 15% of the most affluent are affected by remediation measures, you then support an illegal military intervention. what does this say about your allegience to democratic values and the voice of the majority?

is he instituting price controls?

we'll see if the path leads to this level of state control. i don't know if he's planning a soviet level of central planning; my suspicion is "no". there's a decent chance time will tell, i suppose....

my support has nothing to do with it, but i do see chavez as both the embodiment of (most of) the venezuelan people's aspirations (how can one argue otherwise?), AND an alternative to years of political and economic oppression under former leaders and their agendas. and i don't know what you mean by "rotten".

I see: a man of principle, entirely unaffected by your circumstances, unconditioned, and living as the embodiment of objectively arrived at truth!

hey fairweather, if you were one of the impoverished in venezuela, do you think there might be a chance you would feel differently about hugo and the role of government?

i call bs on the little hook at the end of the handle on the top tool serving as a proxy leash, really.

there already has been a drop in the poverty rate, dramatic increases in access to health care, education, food, water, etc etc. ie. an increase in the standard of living for those most in need of such an increase.

I hardly consider any of this as shocking. I think he clearly stated his intent to nationalize certain key industries, so there's no inconsistency with the above actions. It seems to me that a reasonable response to the failure of a particular approach to bring any semblance of equity and justice to a given society is to change one's approach; through a democratic process, this is exactly what has happened in venezuela. only time will tell how it pans out. Oh and did you notice that daniel ortega won (another) democratic election in nicaragua? i guess a decade and a half of neo-liberal economic policies didn't quite do what their proponents promised (now we'll see if a different approach changes conditions for those most in need of change).