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You probably could since the wilderness/aircraft rules at GBNP were relaxed years ago. Problem is, I don't think there is anyone in the area that offers service. Drake (Haines) only flies a plane, and I don't think the Temsco folks out of Juneau or Skagway have the range. (?)

in your case dribble dribble lol.

Mine was taken away by this president--and then offered back for more than double the price. Affordable? You're delusional.

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences." --CS Lewis

The picture is dated 1972, but I wonder if the ridge has deteriorated. I'm sure the approach hasn't improved. After watching the Smiley's latest video--Fairweather's Carpe Ridge--I'm led to believe that things are really falling apart in the range. http://smileysproject.com/Committed__Fifty_Classic_Climbs_of_North_America/Committed.html

The winner. Do you have links/info on any recent attempts? I'd like to read about them.

I agree about 90%. Still, if you can figure out how to do it, please tell. Abrogate GATT, NAFTA, etc? Relax environmental regulations here at home? Abolish unions? Retrain service sector employees to work in all the new factories that are selling products to who exactly? Nixon thought that opening up China to the west would make it less of a threat. I guess the jury is still out. Unions and environmental are not the cause of production exodus. As an outdoor person you should know 2 things essential to healthy living: clean air and clean water. Living in something less polluted then Love Canal and getting paid for work a living wage is so much to ask for? Stop promoting "race to the bottom" mentality. I think the main issue is tax system and corporate lobbying. Tax system encourages job export and product import, and corporate lobbying is spending big $$$ to convince general and sub-edutated public this is the best and for our own good. Well, I guess you're smarter than every president, premier, party chairman, chancellor, and prime minister that's held office since the Bretton Woods system was put in place. Tell me exactly what you would implement to replace the present neoliberal economic structure? I suspect it would not support the "living wages" you allude to, but I have no doubt it would supply good steady wages and benefits to the bureaucratic class. Still, I agree with you in principle--I just think any cure might end up being worse than the disease.

Alaska, yes. Hint: it's a 12,000er.

I agree about 90%. Still, if you can figure out how to do it, please tell. Abrogate GATT, NAFTA, etc? Relax environmental regulations here at home? Abolish unions? Retrain service sector employees to work in all the new factories that are selling products to who exactly? Nixon thought that opening up China to the west would make it less of a threat. I guess the jury is still out.

I agree, you don't strike me as a gulag type of guy. Quite the opposite. But your friends--not so sure. (Let's let history be our guide here.)

wonderful argument (not that it has anything to do w/ what i said?) sure, as you illustrate, the extreme liberal-take on foreign policy has over-tones of kumbaya and utopia, but the other side you seem to favor, the world in which the strong can do whatever the fuck they want to the weaker, dressing the whole thing up in equally bullshit ideologies, is easy to mock w/ a meme too i'm no extremist, but if i have to pick one over the other, i'll take unicorns over buchenwald, flying-pigs over falling heads, ruby-slippers over jack-boots. In case you haven't noticed, the former seems to too-often lead to the latter.

In a way I agree with GGK; dividing up the spoils of war at Yalta before the conflict was even over--and with a nation that we knew would soon turn from ally to enemy--strikes me as immoral. What's more, we turned around the following week and incinerated 40,000 German civilians in Dresden not because it was going to accelerate Hitler's demise in any way, rather, because we wanted to show the USSR what we were capable of. :vomit: Partnering with Stalin against Hitler strikes me as immoral on many levels as well--starting with his mutual invasion of Poland in September of 1939 and he and Hitler's similarly-bloody resumes. Neither one the lesser of two evils, IMO. Of course, FDR gets a pass on all of this from you libs because he gave us Social Security and all kinds of the big government that you crave to this very day. Plus, as GGK points out, he was a real softy when it came to commies. But to Ivan's point, what were we supposed to do? I guess we could have let Hitler beat up on Stalin a bit more by cutting off the lend/lease program--but the Russkies would have beaten the Nazis anyhow. At the end of the day, however, Ivan's thinking re Iran closely matches that of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg in that we shouldn't be the sole holders of nukes.

this really ain't that hard to intuit through - are we currently in a declared war w/ iran? i don't think i have any right to dictate what government the people of iran have - i think the current shit state of affairs between our nation and theirs is precisely b/c people like you think the opposite - i don't give a fuck about their mullahs and they can do whatever they wish, including build nukes if that's w/n their abilities, so long as they wreck no harm in my homeland - i sincerely hope that, if they produce them, that we can talk out our differences w/o these terrible weapons being used (it seemed to answer in the cold war), but if that fails, then sadly many will die on both sides (many more on theirs, as we no doubt have a huge advantage), so let's focus on keeping the relationship positive enough that doesn't have to happen, eh? treating them like we're a bully doesn't seem likely to produce positive results...

Unfortunately Feck and Crux are a little late on this whole socialism wave Tacoma been at the fore of this so-called new thang since about 1910 public ports and IWW and Homer T Bone and national guard and riots and breakin the railroad waterfront monopoly and shit like that and that's right we are the the original american commies down here but not choppin off commie nuts like they do in Centralia mmmhmmm read a book

I've been sitting on this USGS B&W for 30 years, and the beautiful sunlit ridge that splits the center remains unclimbed as far as I know.

Um, you might want to go back and take a look at Patriot Act origins. 98-1 in a bi-partisan vote. But I don't think GW was ever accused of "random" wiretapping, meta email collections, hacking the phones and computers of reporters, or using the NSA and IRS against political enemies--that's all on your guy, Barack H Obama. Now he's cheering the Democrats in the Senate as they roll back 200 years of minority filibuster protections. You know what I think? I think you and your fellow lefties are ok with your guy spying on all of us--especially conservative groups--because on your way to utopia the ends always justify the means. What a bunch of hypocrites. I'm just surprised B-Ho hasn't resurrected FDR's Supreme Court stacking scheme yet.

I knew it.

Ouch! Looks like the tool-in-chief is losing one of his biggest props:

I guess this means you can all come out of the closet then?

Hey your new mayor and socialist city councilwoman are gonna get those McDonalds workers $15.00/hr--whether the market says their skills merit it, or not!

No fucking shit. But still, you support a collectivized/centralized medical system here in your adopted country. Healthcare today, agriculture tomorrow? Like you said, it's the system. I'll take my chances with capitalism's invisible hand over the commie bureaucrats you seem so fond of. Not sure why you aren't making the connection. You can't have your cake and eat it too. (You'll have to look it up.) I am sure using PUBLIC roads, or sending kids to PUBLIC schools is like entering gates of hell of a road to communism. Another load of shit argument. First of all, there is no longer real free market system- it's weird hybrid of privatization of profits and socialization of loss. All the rest of developed countries has some form of regulated health system, it doesn't mean collectivization, that is some strange hyperbole of thinking- looks like your domain. Roads, no problem--although I will say that the lefties have spent a good deal of time and effort of late trying to get us all out of our private automobiles and onto buses and trains where we can be "less individual." As for public schools, well, sadly the record speaks for itself, no? Healthcare, however, is viewed by many (including me) as a step too far. Once the gloved hand of government is literally up your ass, all bets are off.

how is that relevant? my point is that either all nations have a right to nukes, or none do. just b/c a nation has a right to a nuke doesn't mean others have an obligation to help them realize that right. indeed, restricting the trade of nuclear technology makes sense to me. but if iranians are advanced enough to build one themselves, than so be it, and we should probably save the lat n' longitude of tehran into the "favorites" menu on our minutemen Ok, then by your logic bombing the Deuterium production plant at Vemork in occupied Norway in 1943 to set back the German nuke program was wrong? Got it. Don't you think keeping the Mullahs from getting the bomb in the first place is far better than targeting Tehran and all the folks who live there after the fact?

No fucking shit. But still, you support a collectivized/centralized medical system here in your adopted country. Healthcare today, agriculture tomorrow? Like you said, it's the system. I'll take my chances with capitalism's invisible hand over the commie bureaucrats you seem so fond of. Not sure why you aren't making the connection. You can't have your cake and eat it too. (You'll have to look it up.)

TRANSLATOR! CAN WE GET A TRANSLATOR DOWN HERE RIGHT AWAY PLEASE!!!!

Let's be serious here: Does any aspiring jihadi really believe that his 72 virgins are gonna stay that way for more than, say, the first month or two?