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Doh! I always forget that. Twin Sisters Lakes. I was, like, 2 miles off.

Hmmm. Definitely South Washington Cascades. White Pass region. Tumac Mountain area. Blankenship Lake?

I was about to key in on the same lines but also add that Isreal needs to deal with land ownership with in the 48 boarders for some of that land is legally owned by Arabs pre 48 and these people sould have the same rights as jews in Isreal and not second class citizen,thay should be able to vote and run for office!IMO The population of Israel is 20% Arab, 76% Jewish, and 4% other. Arabs can vote and run for office in Israel proper, so I'm not sure where you got your information. The issue of land ownership inside the 1948 boundaries would have to be balanced by like issues of confiscated Jewish land outside the boundaries. How far back shall we go? As for palestinian "right of return", this would mean the end of Israel and it will never happen. Period.

If Israel returned to the 1948 boundaries I don't think it would change anything. There are plenty of groups (including Hamas), and even nation-states (Iran), that continue to call for the complete destruction of Israel. Do you honestly think this would change? I'll bet it would only embolden.

Nah, my last project was the Sarah Palin hate collage. Unfortunately, the glue wouldn't stick with all the liberal misogynist hypocrisy dripping down the face of the work and the finished project turned out worse than the portrait of Dorian Gray. I'll share it with you via PM if you like--it's really u-g-l-y. Nice to see you're on the correct side of at least one issue, but I think you're being too kind to those who really do want to assign blame certain to Jews. I guess it was the title of this thread and its obvious implication that bothered me the most.

Um, Lemme guess j_b: The Moon landings never happened. Second shooter on the grassy knoll. WT #7 controlled demolition. Melting point of steel. Bush planned 9/11. FDR knew of imminent Japanese attack. The Builderburgers. Illuminati. (Of course!) Masonic order. Skull and Bones. Does this about sum up the dark corners of your belief system, j_b?

So who, exactly, is/was Hamas targeting with their indiscriminate rocket fire into small Israeli towns? The Israeli military? Where is your outrage? Are you claiming it's ok for Hamas to target civilians because they're really, really, really angry? Again, where is your outrage? You have none, because you agree with those who want to exterminate Jews. Yes.

Is LP gas more atmosphere-friendly than gasoline? More efficient? I honestly don't know. It must take a fair amount of energy to compress it initially, and that would have to be factored into the equation too. Anyone?

Above, you referred to the "murder" of thousands, but now you say "casualties". Apparently, you don't understand the difference, or are once again trying to leave your lies the cover of semantics. Weak tactics and arguments from a weak mind.

j_b: you should really come to terms with your hatred of the Jewish people.

Looks like about 75% of the 360 deaths are combatants/Hamas males. 25% civilian; regrettable, but hardly thousands. The Hamas target of the New Year's Day 2000-pounder sent his own fucking 16 year old son to die as a suicide bomber years earlier. Forgive me, but it's hard to mourn the death of his remaining sons. Nice fella: http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2009/01/20091218131371179.html

There may have been a palestine, but never a Palestine. ?Comprendes? The UN of today in no way resembles the UN of 1947. Wednesday they tried to force a resolution condemning the Israeli air assault without even mentioning Hamas rocket/missile attacks! Fortunately, Israel still has a friend in the United States and this travesty of a resolution was shot down. Do you really believe the UN is pro-Israel today?

Since the UN is currently very anti-Israel and the NYT remains left of center--today calling the bombing of Nizar Rayan's house a "political assassination"--I think it's pretty clear that you are the inconsistent one here. If you honestly believe these two institutions are pro-Israel, then you truly do live in a fantasy. Kill yourself. Seriously.

How convenient for you. Are you claiming they have misquoted Bill Clinton? Lemme guess; you believe the NYT is a Jewish mouthpiece?

Israel can deal with it's own corruption. By many accounts, Arafat died with over $1B net worth. Money that was donated by the international community to help palestinians, not line his pockets.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9900E1D8153BF932A15752C0A9649C8B63 Published: January 21, 2002 As president, Bill Clinton labored to end the dispute between Israelis and Palestinians. Today, he came back here to bask in a warm Israeli welcome, to call on both sides to keep trying, and to place the blame for his peace initiative's failure squarely on Yasir Arafat, the Palestinian leader.

Most of those billions went into Arafat and Fatah member's private overseas bank accounts. Hamas was elected (in Gaza), basically, because they were not as corrupt as Fatah.

When I read the title to this thread, I thought it would be about the young UW History student who decided it would be fun to re live a little history on New Year's Eve.

Your regurgitation of anti-Semitic rage will, sadly, gather believers.

Remaining Israeli settlers were forcibly removed from Gaza in 2005/06 by Israel in exchange for peace. Guess it didn't work. And let's not forget the Israeli soldier kidnapped and held for over 2 years. No evidence or Hamas provocation? You're living in a whole 'nuther dimension. http://www.redorbit.com/news/general/214860/israel_moves_against_remaining_gaza_settlements/ http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/22/AR2005082200114.html

Exactly. Well said.

What's your fucking excuse? Ahh, yes. Another NAZI presents. Let's see: Prole, j_b, TTK, Fear and Greed...c'mon, I think there are a couple more in here... Fucking losers, all.

Not what I said, but Fear and Greed and TTK are. Careful who you associate with. Dude, I'm not sure where you swallowed your history, but it's waaaay off. They can if they want to. It's a free country, right? Israel basically agreed to the two-state solution brokered by Clinton--Yasser Arafat turned it down! If you're talking about "right-of-return" then it's a non-starter. Would you integrate with a group of people who--to this day--have sworn to kill you and your kind?

Bug, you seem often-reasonable, but just look at the title of this thread, and then ask yourself if you really want to be associated with the Jew-haters here.

Bullshit. Tell me when the country of "Palestine" ever existed. Offered a lasting peace they decided to continue the bloodshed. Their fault. Palestinians in the west bank (and Jordan, and elsewhere) seem to be getting along just fine--maybe because they didn't elect religiously fanatic terrorists to govern them.