Hey DRep, That was me and Rob S on the source lake line today. I left my camera with photos in Robs car so no photos till tommorow. It's in but it's thinner than I've ever seen it, and this is the 5th or 6th time I've climbed it. Kind of seems like WI 4 but thin, hollow, and poor protection... I'm calling it a 4++ right now ...pretty spicy. And it's absolutely dry, no water dripping at all, so it's condition isn't going to change till we get some serious melt freeze cycles.