Peter_Puget

Actually right now we live in a "mixed economy." Now the question is to what proportions does J_B want. Here I think our old friend Ron Reagan can help us: link

Hey FW, Tvash is on to some heavy shit here. I am intrigued with his "amortize risk" concept.

Ouch!

I would just like to take a minute and congratulate J_B and recognize how all afternoon he has been ferociously resisting my Gestapo-esque, goon-like, profoundly anti-freedom tactics. Most people give up once they feel the tread of my boots on their neck, but J_B he’s a true freedom fighter!

LOL Thats what the Dems thought when Johnson was elected! Two years later Reagan replaced Brown as Gov in CA. 4 years later Nixon was elected. Carter was soundly defeated despite Nixon and the revolution that first began when Goldwater was defeated had come into full bloom! The next Dem elected Pres was a young man as a member of the DLC explicitly moved his party to the right!

Here is Andrew Sullivan's take on another agent of change: Here is Brennan's wikipedia entry - dig the close Bush connection. Yes more change is coming. The question is who are the real dupes.

I should say while stomping down free speech I prefer boots just like these!

Tvash just doesn't have the sincerity down.

Thanks Bill. You actually picked out the very post that was the inspiration for this one!

Lunacy is expecting a differnt outcome from the same pathetic bunch. But I guess you can do that with a beer, a hot dog, and a seat in the sun on the third baseline. Check out these related threads! link one , Link 2

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All the goofiness with none of the sincerity!

That’s only because we offset each other.

Stop posting so much!

Oh and by the way..I wasn't saying you even believed in the "Bush Lied" story line. I am just musing about those that do believe the story line and its implications.

Interesting viewpoint Doug. Consider.... link The fact that Bush was telling lies was something evident to the CC.com liberal brain trust (ChucK, Mattp, Tvash and the always cuddly J_B) Now our President elect is bringing on board many of the “experienced” WA elite. Which camp do they fall into: 1) They were always as smart as the CC.com brain trust. 2) They were/are dupes. 3) They were dupes who saw the light. (eg Edwards) Those truly believing the "Bush Lied" story line have to pick which of the three groups Obama’s each of staff fall into. The only acceptable group should #1. ( Well unless the cc.com brain trust is just so darn smart that holding the leaders of our country to their level is simply unreasonable.) Otherwise our new leaders are just dupes of a different color. It's not as simple as that Peter. BTW, I didn't think my attempt at humor was a racist rant. If one's position of supporting the war was based upon intelligence that puported that our nation and other allies were in imminent danger, then supporting the war at that stage cannot be considered a bad thing. Those that spoke out against it or the "evidence" leading up to it were labled by some more ferverent supporters as unpatriotic or treasonous. Remember, they are all politicians and at some level will say what they have to to either get elected or stay in office, even if it means compromising any principles they may have. Are/were they dupes at some level? Most probably. Back on topic, change in the Obama vein hopefully isn't a facade or window dressing. Yes, by definition his staff and cabinet are Washington insiders and political veterans. And yes, he more than likely has some political favors to repay. But I really do believe the change that he advertised a need for is an ideolgical change and that we will get. Sorry for the lack of a link, I thought I'd use my own ideas. Doug - True enough a 4th possibilty is that the politicians could have seen thru the obvious "Bush Lies" and yet for self serving reasons chose not to stand up and be counted. Can these guys really be expected to be agents of change or just more of the same? After all they refused to fight against the war... they willingly sacrificed American youth and America's standing in the world to lies in order to forward their own personal agendas...what other lies will they support to get ahead in the future.....feel free to go ahead and use your own ideas! It sure seems like "the same Washington game with the same Washington players."

Interesting viewpoint Doug. Consider.... link The fact that Bush was telling lies was something evident to the CC.com liberal brain trust (ChucK, Mattp, Tvash and the always cuddly J_B) Now our President elect is bringing on board many of the “experienced” WA elite. Which camp do they fall into: 1) They were always as smart as the CC.com brain trust. 2) They were/are dupes. 3) They were dupes who saw the light. (eg Edwards) Those truly believing the "Bush Lied" story line have to pick which of the three groups Obama’s each of staff fall into. The only acceptable group should #1. ( Well unless the cc.com brain trust is just so darn smart that holding the leaders of our country to their level is simply unreasonable.) Otherwise our new leaders are just dupes of a different color.

Change we can believe in!

Feck - Just like girls not all forms are the same. BTW - Looks like Fripp cancelled the 2009 summer west coast tour.

He's about 700 votes behind some liberal blogger! Program a bot quick!!!!!!!!

to help one of the guys who runs the USS Mariner website win a scholarship! If you've enjoyed the USS Mariner during the season, go add your vote for Dave! Zim Zam, Porter? Doug? Vote for Dave Cameron!

I'm just saying that there's nothing fake about mixed route or even bolted ones for that matter.

I don't know Ivan. I once climbed a route that started woth a couple of bolts then a short runout to a couple hook moves. Then free again to a crack with a KB. After that came lower angle stuff to an easy well protected corner. A silicone free route. I think you are primarily jerking off to Playboys in the bathroom rather than humping anything.

It's a slippery slope......