Peter_Puget

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Don't be coy; who called you? Rangers?

Start posting your pictures here. I wanna see who has the biggest

Aint no citar in in that photo above.....

Ignore him Kevbone. I was thinking about this on my way home from the M's last night. My fav song is => "What Need Have I For This - What Need Have I For That - I Am Dancing At The Feet Of My Lord - All Is Bliss - All Is Bliss" That Eddie sure plays a mean guitar.

Must be due to sport climbing.....

Check out this pic of rock royalty 39.5 years ago! The Dead with parts of Fleetwood MAc and ABB! Just burnt a disc and now it's off to the crags! Click here and go directly to track three

Had you just placed a bolt in the first place the crack wouldn't not be permanently ruined by your trash!

Bill any idea where one can read about the Metolius tests? In general I agree that most of what climbers do is "faith" based; however, the 5% failure rate seems very high.

Ah the pain will fade and you'll be itching for more soon enough...after a while I bet you guys won't even bother tagging summits.

Nice looking route! I've always thought the whole area was under-developed although it may not stay that way very much longer.

Everything Johnnyt said except while Carnival Crack is better than Arse Lips it still isn't a very good OW crack.

It is probably a bit more to the West than you were expecting. The Thumb which is in the same area as Retardant/SS is a great route for honing OW/Squeeze technique.

Just bringing a new dimension to this thread......

Renton is granite not sandstone

Nope

Runr - I was thinking the same thing. Plus I climbed one of those routes and it really wasn't very good at all. Bill has lost touch with reality.

Feck - Index aint no "Trad" area whatever that means. Index has it all it's a universal area. Castle Rock ground up? Don't tell a bunch of routes on Lower Castle which were sure scrubbed. Don't include No Free Lunge or any of several other routes which were TR'd by the FA party before the leads were reported as FAs. Joseph- Is your reply to Rumr serious?

I remember leading the bottom when it required a bunch of RPs. I seem to remember that a lot of those placements (and other placements on some other routes) were a bit on the manufactured side. I always thought the top half would make a good TR Haven't been on it since it was bolted/rebolted whatever the correct terminology is. Quote a few years old by Miles' fav guitarist:

uh, john-boy frieh - he was dabbling in the spray-fuck today, quite unlike a wise-man of his stripe, so figured he need some intreweb-lov'n Ivan - There is plenty of room at Beacon for some awesome sport routes. Fight the power man! Burn the museum! Turn Beacon into a real live community. Tell JosephH Opdyke BillCoe Wynton Marsalis to bugger off! Be Miles Davis!

So now you are having the bolting discussion that you criticized me for trying to have. Aren't you ashamed of yourselves for entering this horrible wasteland? Just helping to clarify a definition and suggest while otherwise smart guys and gals would want to subtly or perhaps not so subtly change them.

Who is John?

Your comments involving bolts are nothing more than cheap, irrelevant personal attacks suggesting that you resent other climbing perspectives and other climbers as as a persons, and indicate that you have little of substance to offer. Now run along li'l bully!

Easy answer 2 bolts both 1/4" diameter...length unknown. Just replying to JosephH's assertion. But a friend of mine did break a fairly new bolt in Spain this year simply by falling. Skykilo the Squamish comment was kind of a joke years ago rumour was that a batch of bad bolts were purchased by Squamish locals and used there and in Yosemite.

I haven't been that light in 30 years but I always guessed that the bad bolts came from Squamish........