Peter_Puget

One thing about climbing accidents in general is that the vast majority of them in hindsight look stupid and that even the best/most cautious of us are not immune to such "stupid" errors. There are several problems that I can see result from this. 1. We look at others accidents and think "how stupid that won't happen to me." 2. There is a possibility that an outside group (jury of our peers, insurance companies)might view such accidents as truly a sign of incompetence.

All things being equal I guess being patriotic in that way isn't so bad. But if they aren't over the long run it is virtually always best for everyone involved (from evil commie to stalwart capitalist. Comparative advantage is like the tide - you ignore it at your own risk. Even over the short term things change very quickly. For example HK was once know for cheap production now it is very expensive, Korea also was known as cheap production now it is expensive and production has moved to China. By the way South Korea went from nothing in 1953 to the (I think)11th largest economy in the world. My father and I have had great conversations contrasting the Korea he remembers from the war and my experience with the current Korea. Several years ago it was very common to hear discussions of how labor was too high and they had to move to other countries for production - essentially the same conversations we have here. 200 years from now maybe the USA will be the "low cost" producer. One way to help make that come true is to consider it a moral duty tobuy American! PP

Some of the limestone in eastern WA rocks! Dr. Flash you ought to consider a road trip! Martyy's guide is pretty good too...and his website.

Darn! Fairweather and here I thought you were on the right side of these arguments. Pun intended. The US is at very low unemployment (even under current conditions)and you find it ethically wrong to support a person in China who is living under completely destitute conditions in favor of a comparatively fabulously rich person with lots of alternatives in the US? I just don't get it. Care for kin but not for kind? PP

Hey looks like some of you guys have been sending NW info!

Silly boy, I never claimed to be your man but if it is the story that clinches it you really are out to lunch and certainly aren't as close to him as you wish to be.

Pope quote:"The date of the day wasted? What was the date of your birth? But seriously, I'm not sure I understand your question. It was your adventure. When did it happen? And have your climbed Rainier?" Well you claimed it was a "sunny day" and I was wondering why you thought that. The odd thing is you claimed to know the weather, then call the report a lie, then base a conclusion on my identity based on that very lie. Amazing! I admit at first your fascination with me was a bit endearing - still odd though - but now it is just plain creepy. By the way every time I see that "sixpack ab" commercial on TV I think: Hey Pope bears an ucanny resemblance to fitness celebrity Jon Basedow! Inquiring minds want to know. PP

Pope Quote:"Very clever. For anybody who would believe this ridiculous story, there now exists serious doubt that you and Matt K. are the same animal. Ain't no way Matt would ever blow his sunny day foolin' around like that." Now Pope just what the heck are you raving about? What a goofball! And the story is most certainly true. By the way exactly what was the date of the day that was wasted? As always chatter and no content. ChucK - Sounds like you had a great day. Here is what I remember of the first pitch of Lamplighter. The bottom is really awkward and harder than it looks the upper half is fun.

It is best to always practice with a rack that way it won't be a pain when you're on the sharp end. You guys must all be pink pointers!

Ok I'll admit it reason I am defending the pic is it's me

Probably wouldnt post Doin' Dishes but unless your strokin for particular guy it doesn't matter who the climber is now does it? I'll even admit to getting psyched looking at a pic in Climbing or Rock & Ice.

Dru wait 'till you read mine. Besides I have been psyched lots of times after watching someone "send" a route.

Left Seattle in the am and drove east on hwy #2. east of Skykomish we pulled off the road and did some binocular climbing. Our goal: a huge boulder field with a short but very wide cliff on its east boundry. My partners had explored the access road a few weeks earlier and talked to someone who had made the approach to the boulderfield. They said that it took them three hours but that it would be possible in hindsight to do it in about an hour with beta. The rock was relatively clean large grained granite. So with this knowledge and psyched from the binocular previewing off we went. The road to the parking area was narrow but in remarkably good condition. We were hoping that we'd get some views as we drove but alas none were forthcoming. After parking we started the hike up the hill. It never ended and a crashpad - even the small Metolius variety - is the biggest pain in the ass while bushwacking! After and hour and half we realized that there was no way we would ever be coming back so down wen went after enver even seeing our goal!!!! After reaching the car we sped done the hwy and hiked to the boulders below the Zeke's Wall. Easier access but need more development for me to go back. Basically I need less exploration and more climbing when I get out. In summary the boulder field east of Skykomish - (northside of hwy) way too far approach. Zeke's - easy approach lots to do but needs more development. Never really had to break out the crash pad. [ 08-12-2002, 08:47 AM: Message edited by: Peter Puget ]

The Crags Rock! Haven't been there since the 83 or so but ah the memories.

ERIK! Oh No I have turned myself into a greek god and now and in awesome shape. Start traingin so we can go! Actually I just started a cool new training scheme. I'll keep you informed.

Thanks for those who gave advice. Now where can you get thoses hoes!

Alot of responses very little info tho. Hey Iain great idea what woudl be great is on designed to make sloping landings flat - I am thinking a wedge type of thing. On a serious note I once saw a dog really injured by a falling climber. After climbing longer than most of you have been alive a soft landing a necessity for my poor back even if the landing is good.

Ok shamed into writing a TR by ChucK I have agreed to go check out a supposedly groovy semi new boudering spot. I was encouraged to go buy one of those crash pad things so..anybody have good or bad experiences. Taco style v. hinged thoughts? WHo sells what where? I heard the zealot brand is good? What about cordless or fish? metolius?

Whut up bitch! You fuckin tongue whipper YES YOU SK [ 08-08-2002, 11:44 PM: Message edited by: poptart ]

Just wondering what routes you guys are using these guys on.

http://supertopos.com/climbing/thread.html?m=5502&f=0&b=0

I climbed the full ridge many years ago and just about the only thing I can remember with much detail is the really cool bivi spot with an amazing view down the East face. Wait that’s a fib, I also remember pulling onto the ledge low on the route and coming face to face with a turd. If I was ever going to do the ridge again I would make sure I spent a night on that ledge. (The ledge is huge by the way.) That bivi has to be one of the coolest around the actual climbing pretty unremarkable. The climbing below the bivi (directly up the ridge) was the best on the route. Forgot to mention that the bivi I am refering to is about 2/3 up the face right below where the ridge steepens. [ 08-07-2002, 03:34 PM: Message edited by: Peter Puget ]

POPTART would have shown if in fact he knew what the decision was, It seemed a bit vague, and Why always ballard of W. Seattle, why not downtown. POPTART has heard rumors of downtown PC's before. Oh well maybe next time. Poptart out....

WTF do you think people do to Pop Tarts... they EAT THEM... So EAT ME!!!!!

Nope but info lots of times. Thats why I put those last two sentences in my post! I did send Cavey a top secret topo once. [ 08-07-2002, 01:59 PM: Message edited by: Peter Puget ]