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link Ran across this today and thougth I'd post it here....just another brick in the......

Sorry the delusion is on your part if you equate the libertarians and the "religious right" Or as Forwaker would say disingenuous...

Right ON! Those first two are great links. The third not so great but two outta three aint bad. Here's a super great link for you - The Conspiracy! Frequently you'll find great reading there. .

Speaking of disingenuous..... Democrats Free mind free markets.... the real deal

As opposed to the US running a 6% GDP deficit when we know an age wave is cresting? And cutting taxes while running a war? Attempting to privatize SS at a HUGE transition cost, while ignoring the solvency problem, because...you know, those youngsters already think we're gonna fuck em on SS anyway, might as well just cut their benefits when the time comes. I won't even mention the environmental legacy. The hypocrisy in that statement is absolutely stunning. This administration is THE poster child for screwing the next generation. It might be hypocrisy if I was saying that the US government was an ideal for living or a perfect system. In the real world what usually matters is not abolute value but comparative advantage. I say we have the advantage compared to the EU. We could loose it if we create more ponzi schemes like social security. I would hasten to add that the dynamic responsive nature of our economy will enable us to repsond better to mistakes in the future. Lets not destroy that advantage. I would note that to date no one has refuted or even attempted to refute the forecast claiming the US wil have a greater growth rate than Europe. Nor have they discussed the potential long term impacts of such a differentail in growth rates.

No offense ChucK I am sure you are a fine litigator but I am waiting for an opinion form these guys!

Story If a judge is more qualified than is the FDA, why waste all those tax dollars on labs and technicians?

See the problem is..your links do not address my argumetn. Kindy goofy eh?

Says it all! The alternatives offered to the people of France are not between the idealistic European multiculturalism of the 21st century and the xenophobic nationalism of the 19th. Rather they face a choice between two approaches: on one hand the liberal ideology of free markets and small governments that seems to be sweeping the world after its relaunch in Britain and America in the 1980s. The alternative is the 1970s belief that a centralised, protectionist and bureaucratically managed state could gradually be extended to the whole of Europe, preserving and enhancing the traditions of Gaullism in its glory days, when Chirac and Giscard were rising to power. link Hired by Mercedes as what? If you want to be a factory worker, you´ll be an American, definitely. If you want to be an engineer, you´ll be German. At least that was according to the engineering manager I talked to week before last As for your accusing the EU of being selfish, what exactly is running up a massive national debt to pay for abusive social programs, absurd wars, and fantastically wasteful defense spending, all the while balloning the national debt because you´ve massively cut taxes for the absurdly rich but dumping the burden on the next generation? Hell ya we don't want any of those manufacturing jobs here in the states! We're to freakin' good that for shit. I would suggest you look at the impending costs of the for example Frances social system and compare and contrast. Gotta run just wanted to post this quote since it was spot on! Don't be conservative join the revolution o f free mind free markets and small government! You have nothing to lose but your (golden?) chains!

I am pressed for time today but I offer the following comments: Jim - To base your conclusions on your data would be a failure of intelligence. I offered several clues you chose to ignore and yet you broadened your net. I wrote that infant mortality rate does not for me at least provide concvincin gevidence of superior care. There are many reasons for this one is just one is that in other countries a larger share of high-risk pregnancies end up as miscarriages. Those countries will have higher fetal death rates, but probably will have lower measured rates of infant mortality. The data you provide is simply does not prove your point. J-B - You are arguing not against my argument but against some silly notion you think you can prove by regurgitating facts from Google. What you are writing (and Jim too for that matter) is completey non repsonsive to what I am asserting. I am making a claim about what will happen in the future given the choices various countires have made in the past and are making now. One cannot siimply repeal the laws of economics by fiat or the ballot box. 35 hour work week is a perfect example of this. Another would be the dramatic immigration of professionals from Canada to the US. I pointed this out about a year ago. MDs inparticular are very likely to move to the US. Wanna get hired by Mercedes? Move to the US. A country that is growing quicker and is more available to change has more options open to it than one growing slowly. In one sense the people in the EU have been selfish and said "we want it now, screw our children." Thank heaven their progeny can take solice in all being equally poor.

Good J_B! You're getting it and even thinking the idea was your own. But you seem to be suggesting that a comparison of say China and let's say Monaco is meaningful!

Just to clarify I neverr said that Dru's post "invalidates" your point. What I said was it reinforces mine. And guess what it does.

Thanks dru you posted that as I was posting my reply. It reinforces the position I take two posts ago.

Oh J_B - Check out this quote:The figures refer to relative poverty defined as households with income per head below 50% of the national average. First I will note that I was writing not just of child poverty in my last post. Second, the BBC article defines (well really the UN) poverty in such a way that a if a country was rich enough a person in poverty could have the purchasing power of a person in the US earing a million dollars today. We would all consider such a defintion silliness but for the UN and you it is important. I would note that the study I refered to actually was an attempt to compare the actual lifestyle of people across borders. By the way you did not answer my question about where one would wish to be born.

http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2005/01/index.htm Check out this report. If government policies reduce our growth rate we will end up with a very small piece of pie to fight over. We will limit our ability to respond to changing conditions. We will see the best and the brightest of the world go elsewhere. Take the average forecast per capita GDP growth rates for the US and EU for 2005 and 2006 and extend them into the future. What is the impact for a child born today? The projected per capital GDP for the child born in the US will be approximately twice that of the child born in the EU. Remember too that the growth rates for the EU include the faster growing countries of Eastern Europe. In which area would you want to be born? J_B citation of poverty statistics in Britain is interesting. Sometime ago I posted a comparison of various statistics each of which could be used as a proxy for standard of living. (eg living space, owns a refrigerator, owns tv) What was being compared was the average statistic for a person considered to living in poverty in the US and the average person in France. The practical threshold for poverty in France seems far lower than here.

Thank God for freedom..... link

Oooops! Will the personal attacks ever stop!!

Well it is certainly a put down. Besides being silly as I wrote before quoting is by its nature selective.

I completely disagree with you guys regarding Boulder. If you ignore the 30’ part which is true only because of the very short timeline, I would argue that within a 60 mile radius of Seattle the granite climbing is by far superior to the granite climbing around Boulder. Add to that the fact that Squamish is far better than Lumpy or the Platte and Seattle maintains its position. True El Dorado/Flat Irons are pretty darn close but after spending most of a summer in Boulder, I can honestly say that I have never desired to go back and climb at either location.

[quote The thought of major companies only being regulated by supply, demand, and the whims of the consumer is horrifying! To even be mildly palatable it assumes that the vast majority of people are going to act in the long term best interests of their society when using their buying power, and that they recognize that the long term stability and prosperity of the society is in the final analysis more beneficial to them and their offspring, then a little immediate monetary savings. Either that or ir requires altruistic morally conscious companies You think that's bad just wait until you hear about this little thing called "Democracy"...now that's scary! Imagine consumers... er I mean...voters making decisions! Why the very thought is scandalous.

Ouch The personal attacks begin. Isn't quoting by its nature selective? Maybe the french are thinking: "Meet the new boss; same as the old boss" Except the new boss will be even further insulated from the French people and by that logic less responsive.

Will the French vote in down? link EU unemployment stands million and youth unemployment is 18 percent. Next time Jim and J_B wax on incoherently about progressive social programs consider this. The next sound we will hear is Canada as its income falls further behind ours. Sadly for the Great White North if oilprices continue to rise their asses will be covered by the oil revenues and possibly shale oil development. Alas, natural resources are a curse.

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