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Sheeesh!!! I hope there's gonna be an accountant there to take score!!

Teddy's has got easy parking (unless the lot fills) and is easy access to/from I-5. You could go dirtball chic and just fill up on samples over at Hole Foods if you really need to eat dinner. You're problem is you drink too damn slow!

Here he/she is http://www.cascadeclimbers.com/threadz/graemlins/yellowsleep.gif

Hey guys! Here's an official thread so you can find the URL for the old :yellaf guy. You can use the image command and enter the URL http://www.cascadeclimbers.com/threadz/graemlins/yellowlaugh.gif

Iainy! You figured me out you cum lapper. Matt, I'll see you tomorrow to collect my three beers! I think the Pub Club should be somewhere with very good beer. Price is no object!!

Hint to Pub Club virgins, noone knows what Trask looks like. If noone at Pub Club knows you then here's your chance to get some free* booze! *the one catch is having to take shit for everything Trask has ever posted for as long as it takes you to down three barley-pops. "I'm Trask!" "No, I'm Trask!!" "Neither of you are Trask!! I am Trask asseyes " What would be really good is if DFA showed up impersonating Trask!

Cool!! Maybe this means they won't close the MidFork River road down.

So are you saying that anytime less than 50% of the registered voters actually decide to do so, that the government is illegitimate?

DFA, You forgot the emphasis... "He's saying, in so many words, that whether or [...]"

Of course noone (who is not an idiot) believes any of those 3 reasons!!! But damned if I know wherein the real motivation lies! Matt, please discontinue your sidestep and post to the world what you think are the true motivations for our provocations!

Them apples sound like pure gun-nut logic to me; i.e. !

Trask, If that is what we want to stop, shouldn't we be invading N. Korea instead? So far, there is no evidence (that anybody will show us) that Iraq is making a bomb, while N. Korea is trumpeting their efforts to the world? Because of this, I hardly believe fear of nuclear proliferation is our true motivation.

Matt, I think the Bush admin probably thinks of the promotion of democracry and freedom in Iraq as "collateral damage". Kind of ironic huh? since we're giving up ours here.

SC, I have heard many (convincing?) reports of brutality and oppression at the hands of Saddam's govt. on NPR. That is my source. I trusted it as I don't really think of NPR as a shill for the Iraq war. Have you personally talked to any Iraqis? From your tone, it sounds like you have. Why don't you fill us in? Do they like Saddam's government? Are the reports of murder and torture of people who are merely relatives of those suspected of being anti-Saddam greatly exaggerated? Uh yeah. That would help. I am just being fatalistic because I don't think there's any way in the world that will happen without the removal of the current govt. in Iraq.

Matt, I agree with you in that I do not believe for a minute that helping the Iraqi people is even 3rd on the list of motivations for this war. However, as was spelled out by my post above, the "embetterment" of the Iraqi peoples is I feel at least a bright side of the inevitable climax of hostilities.

It sounds like life is very rough for Iraqis right now. They may not get a perfect regime next, but it sounds like it'd be pretty tough to get one that is worse. Plus, if we finally trash Saddam, there is good probability that our 13 year war with Iraq will end. No more international boycott. No more continuous bombing. Access to the international economy. Less bombs falling from the air. Removal of a regime that kills and tortures its people at random to keep a firm grip on power. That's gotta make life a bit better for your average Iraqi. I think the reason the Bush admin does not use the human interest version to justify the invasion is twofold 1) That the Bush administration would be trying to help downtrodden peoples is even less believable than the current charade. 2) The current charade is working great. Outside of Seattle and a couple of other liberal bastions the American public is eating this sh*t up! Plus, a lotta people wouldn't support "helping" people, but most everybody is into a bit of revenge.

Don't worry dude, you won't have to walk at all. Last time they did their "salvaging" civilians weren't allowed in at all.

If I had a rocket launcher....

I believe #1. While that may not be the true motivation for invasion(I have no idea of what the real reason is ), it does sound like ousting Saddam will most likely make most Iraqi's* life better. * those not killed/injured by the actual invasion I am skeptical about #'s 2 and 3. I think it is conceivable that #3 might be quite the opposite.

Better that than a wig-wearin' freak

You know what I really hate , is when I have to look at other people in the mountains. Walking up the Kendal Katwalk, looking at the freeway, seeing and hearing the cars really PISSES ME OFF . If you must go into the mountains, please don't wear loud non-earthtone colors. I find it repugnant that people must use the new technology of nylon and dayglo dye when in the mountains. I especially despise people who bring wigs into the mountains, well unless it's real hair. If they really wanted to enjoy the wilderness they wouldn't need to bring wigs with them.

I thought the deal was that the Pub Club organizer got free dinner and beer

Hey Traks!! check this out!

That is correct. Like something you wouldn't mind bouldering but would put enough air below you so you could get caught by the gear if your newbie friend is capable. I guess this doesn't have to be limited to newbies. Haven't any of you ever gone out on a climbing blind date and started to wonder about the capabilities of your partner for the day? You might insult him if you yanked the rope and said falling while you're still on the ground. It might be easier to sooth your nerves by a quick "accidental" slip just above the ground. I guess if it's really a newbie that you're teaching "from the ground up" you'd be able to do all sorts of elaborate learning setups like topropes and stuff. Perhaps I should have framed it more as safely empirically testing a belayer who says he can belay (but his words are your only proof), or heading out with someone who hasn't climbed in 20 years or something like that. Inner Wall is a good one. Toxic Shock and Even Steven (right off the ground) are nice flat landings, but a bit difficult for newbies. UT, is South Face of Jello Tower a newbie climb? I've never climbed it but I've heard it's steep and committing.

To see if they can hold a lead fall. Duh.