Alasdair Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 Has anyone else had issues with these icing really badly and causing very scary rappel situations? I was looking to see what size ropes bd recommend these for, but I did not see anything written anywhere. Last weekend while rappelling icy 9mil ropes I had to wrap the ropes all the way around my ass to get the device to work. When I got down I noticed the two grooves were completely iced and had to use my pick to clear it out. So am I a dumb ass for using this device for something that it is not designed for, or is this a limiting factor of the device? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catbirdseat Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 I think the Trango Jaws would be a better choice for rapping with icy ropes, as it would be much less likely to collect ice- no grooves or teeth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrogdortheBurninator Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 I used my BD guide on icy ropes for the first time last weekend too. I was similarly unimpressed. Tons of stick slip drag. Did you try flipping it around? I didnt, but wonder if that might alleviate some problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sill Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 Flipping it around does alleviate the problem for the most part, unless your ropes are frozen cables. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alasdair Posted December 7, 2006 Author Share Posted December 7, 2006 I did not try flipping it around as I dont tend to try things like that when at the top of a rappel. I think I will be moving back the the old device until something else comes up that someone else can test for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alasdair Posted December 7, 2006 Author Share Posted December 7, 2006 OUr ropes were pretty much frozen cables. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 Prussik? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
counterfeitfake Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 This is kind of a problem for most devices, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris Posted December 7, 2006 Share Posted December 7, 2006 I haven't found it to be noticeably different from using a Reverso. Its manageable, though, so I haven't worried to much about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alasdair Posted December 8, 2006 Author Share Posted December 8, 2006 No this is not a problem for other devices I have used. I think the best one for iced ropes is the old BD ATC. And Dru, no, most of the time I do not use a prussik when I rappel. Yes I probably should, but I dont. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-spotter Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 I started using a prussik all the time for ice after I had a similar problem with a Reverso. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 I started using a prussik all the time for ice after I had a similar problem with a Reverso. ditto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figger_Eight Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 If you flip it around, it's essentially the same as a standard ATC, no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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