scheissami Posted July 26, 2005 Share Posted July 26, 2005 I recently purchased some Grivel Air Tech step-in crampons, and I'm having a horrible time trying to move the toe bail back to the second slot. The problem is that the toe bail wire is super burly. Does anyone have any slick solution to this problem, or do I pretty much need a vise and a file to just annihilate the wire till I can manipulate it around? All suggestions welcome. Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenderfour Posted July 26, 2005 Share Posted July 26, 2005 I can't speak for the Airtech crampons specifically, but on my G14's there was a little tab on the toebail just past where they met with the crampon. The hole where the toebail enters the crampon is actually a slot, and the toebail has to be rotated so that the tabs line up with the slots. I was able to pull it out by hand, but a large screwdriver might help you out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhyang Posted July 26, 2005 Share Posted July 26, 2005 vise-grips might also help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catbirdseat Posted July 26, 2005 Share Posted July 26, 2005 I'm sure that the store where you bought the crampons would gladly help you gratis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris Posted July 26, 2005 Share Posted July 26, 2005 Using a screwdriver as a lever seems to take less work then vise-grips. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishstick Posted July 26, 2005 Share Posted July 26, 2005 If I understand the problem correctly, you're having trouble pulling the bail out of the slot? The easiest method, but it requires 2 people, is to get one person to stand on the crampon behind the bail (near the centre - ideally on a piece of wood), while you pull it out using a quickdraw girth-hitched around the base of the bail. Otherwise, still use the girth-hitched QD, but either hold the crampon in the opposite hand or pin it to the floor with your knee. Cheers, GB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aya Posted July 27, 2005 Share Posted July 27, 2005 Had same problem with my G14s. As stated above, make sure tabs are lined up, and then use a screwdriver as a lever (assuming you don't mind scratching them up a bit!!) - or actually, I had more luck using the claw side of a hammer as a lever. I definitely was not able to get them out using a draw or cord or anytihng like that and just pulling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scheissami Posted July 27, 2005 Author Share Posted July 27, 2005 This is exasperating--now I have the toe bail out, but cannot get it back in....am I a gimp, or is there some secret method to get the bail in? It seems like the bail has to go down through the slot, but there's no room for it to wiggle through....scheisse!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aya Posted July 27, 2005 Share Posted July 27, 2005 Hammer it. Seriously. Forget wiggling - make sure the bail is oriented correctly with the hole (the hole is oval shaped, and the bail is flattened along one axis) and take a hammer to it. You won't hurt your crampons. Also it is easier if you do it one side at a time, ie, just line up the bail/hole on the side you are hammering in, and let the otehr side of the bail go wherever - NOT in the hole on the other side. I guarantee you can do it, it is just a humongous pain. And I hope that once you get the bail moved, it is indeed where you want it!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenderfour Posted July 27, 2005 Share Posted July 27, 2005 I would avoid hammering on crampons. Any part of them. If you are completely out of options, take a file to the wire bail and remove a bit of the tab. Don't remove any more than you have to in order to get it back in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelawgoddess Posted July 27, 2005 Share Posted July 27, 2005 well, i've had to use a hammer on some crampons before. i don't think it's a big deal if you're careful. if you need to use it, use it. but i'd try everything else first - get mean and muscle it around. or get someone who has more muscle to do it for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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