sailBOI Posted July 18, 2004 Posted July 18, 2004 CLOSED - KEEP OUT - The message to all you Climbers ! The Wild Sky Wilderness is being pushed by some of the same groups that are trying to Keep the Dosewallips Access Rd. closed. Their claim that Wild Sky will ensure continued access is a FABRICATION. As soon as a road washes out, they will be there with a KEEP OUT SIGN ! You have until this Thursday to send a letter to the Congress for inclusion in the Public Hearings scheduled. Sample Letter : My Letter to House Resources Committee Chairman Richard Pombo: Opposition to H.R. 822, the Wild Sky Wilderness Act of 2003 July 16, 2004 To: House Resources Committee Chairman Richard Pombo resources.committee@mail.house.gov From: Miss Julie Kay Smithson propertyrights@earthlink.net Subject: Opposition to H.R. 822, the Wild Sky Wilderness Act of 2003 Chairman Pombo: My concerns are not listed necessarily in order of personal importance; rather, they are simply what comes to mind when I consider the far-reaching implications -- one might even call them tentacles -- of H.R. 822. This bill truly reaches into the pocketbook of every taxpaying American, every consumer, every tourist, and extracts something, whether tangible or not. Every concern I have relating to this bill bodes ill for it. It MUST, for to support any part of it is to disenfranchise myself from all that I cherish about my country. Your 1996 book, coauthored with Joseph Farah, titled "This Land is Our Land", details "how to end the war on private property." I'm sure you cherish the lands that you and your family have owned for many generations in and near Tracy, California. Wherever there is federal lust for more and more and more land and resources to remove from the tax rolls, further encumbering the already overburdened American taxpayer -- and ever more often also seeking removal from the public access -- you have my attention. These lands are lands that someone cherishes. Often, these families have lived, like your own family, for multiple generations on the same lands, working at the same honest work, in a committed and long-term partnership with the lands and waters. Whether that relationship -- granted, built upon trial and error, for that is the way mankind learns how better to steward his Genesis-mandated job over all the earth -- is based in farming, timber harvest, ranching, mineral extraction, fishing, or other responsible use, it is something that many Americans and their families have diligently invested blood, sweat and tears equity in. Many of these same families now find themselves at the merciless hands of those professing to be 'environmentalists' or 'conservationists' -- when the truth is, those using those terms care little about either the environment or real conservation, which means not wasting. It does not mean NOT USING AT ALL. That is what "wilderness designation" is, Chairman Pombo. It means NOT USING AT ALL: none of the resources. The 'carrot' on the stick that is promised is cursory passive recreational access, while the stick lies in wait to 'assist' those that have become, through no fault of their own, inholders. One way or another, they are to become "willing sellers". This is an ugly, dishonest way to treat American property rights -- and you wrote a book about it, so few should know this as well as you and Joseph Farah. As one who has recreated in most of America's contiguous states, from horseback riding to walking, and from nature photography to snowmobiling, I have comments on H.R. 822 that reflect an aging baby boomer tourist's interests. I cherish access to lands that my taxpayer dollars have paid for. As one who has traveled most of America's contiguous states in a twenty-seven year and 3.1 million mile safe driving career as a truck driver, I have comments on H.R. 822 that relate to both America's economy and to access issues. The area targeted by H.R. 822 contains roads -- because it is an area utilized by people. It is not as it was before Christopher Columbus set his booted foot upon our shores on a day in 1492. That in itself should raise a raft of Red Flags -- that anyone would pick, out of thin air, after all the millennia and various 'settlement' by various 'ethnicities' -- 'pre-European settlement' or 'pre-Columbian settlement' as the magic date before which time all must be 'restored.' Hogwash and balderdash, say I! I cherish and appreciate American grown and mined products and those that work so hard within my own country to see that such renewable bounty is available to me and mine, and I believe with every fiber of my being that using our own resources responsibly -- not becoming a 'third world nation' by default, through the hidden horrors of global 'free trade' that is neither fair nor trade, but is in reality the wholesale and wanton destruction of our Constitutional Republic and our sovereignty -- is TRUE 'sustainability.' We used to call it being responsible, being self-sufficient. It made us great. We need to remember what made us great and stop apologizing for it. Let us use our own resources, within our own sovereign borders, and that means NO MORE WILDERNESS DESIGNATIONS: not ONE SQUARE INCH MORE, and over time, a LOT of acres LESS of such areas. I don't tout developing all of America, but our natural resources are OURS, to be used responsibly and intelligently, but to be USED. They belong to no one else, despite the hoopla -- other than whatever deals may have been agreed to without our public knowledge. Thank God we have Marbury v. Madison (1803): All laws repugnant to the [uS] Constitution are null and void. This includes all treaties and 'dark of night', closed-door dirty deals to use our American resources -- including our American human resources -- as collateral. As a property rights researcher, I have comments on H.R. 822 that relate to all the facets of responsible resource providing -- i.e., property rights and freedom. You have just read them. As a rural homeowner, I have comments on H.R. 822 that relate to the increased and very real threat of wildfires and other emergency services that are put directly in harm's way by such proposals for increased "wilderness designations." There is nothing in such "wilderness designations" that is of any benefit to "future generations" -- whatever that means. Future generations of what? Of who? Certainly "future generations" does not mean middle-class, hardworking Americans, who even now are being charged double -- in both taxes AND in FEES to enter, park at and use our own federal parks and other areas. This is criminal -- there was a tea party held in Boston Harbor over such things, many years ago -- but that is a matter for another letter and another time. As a taxpayer, I have comments on H.R. 822 that relate to the ever-increasing burden -- much of it Constitutionally illegal -- on American taxpayers, and the added burden inflicted on us with every acre that is removed from the tax rolls. We need bear no more -- we should and we MUST bear much less. The obesity mentioned among legislators has nothing to do with physical poundage. There is a massive cancer of out-of-control lust for power and money that will never be sated so long as there is unlimited access to American taxpayers' pocketbooks. Terrible as it may sound, the deals cut in D.C. have been the main contributors to each and every one of my comments and concerns. America is beautiful and America is The Beautiful, but what is being done by using the stalking horse of "wilderness designation", like the hideous and many-headed Medusa of the Endangered Species Act, which a member of your committee will chair a meeting about in Klamath Falls, Oregon, in a few short hours, is neither Constitutional nor American. It is criminal, and should be handcuffed and incarcerated wherever bad legislation goes when it is proven harmful to America and to Americans. Thank you, Chairman Pombo. I will be watching this bill and the actions of the House Resources Committee closely, knowing that you will have intense lobbying by non-governmental organizations pushing you to run this bill through. As it is part of a true statesman's character to disallow that which is wrong, I hope you will look to the Congressman from Colorado, Tom Tancredo, and the standards he has set regarding sovereignty and borders and Illegal Aliens, and take all that is good from his shining example, to apply to these 'pieces of work' like H.R. 822. To have such courage and moral fiber as he is to be -- like former Congresswoman from Idaho, Helen Chenoweth-Hage -- a true statesman. We need more like this, Congressman Pombo, on that I believe we can agree. You have shown promise in this regard. Perhaps my letter to you will help nourish that spark and fan it into a flame that the most determined "wilderness proponent" cannot squelch. I pray so. 'Nuff said. Miss Julie Kay Smithson 213 Thorn Locust Lane London, Ohio 43140-8844 740-857-1239 (voice/no fax) propertyrights@earthlink.net http://www.PropertyRightsResearch.org ==================================================== Urgent Action Needed on Wild Sky Wilderness Proposal H.R. 822 - Please Submit YOUR Testimony! Thanking you in advance for taking the time to do this. No matter where you live or what you do for a living, please take a few minutes and send an email to resources.committee@mail.house.gov or fax 202-225-5929 to Chairman Richard Pombo at the House Resources Committee expressing your personal opposition to the creation of ANY new wilderness designation, including -- but not limited to -- the Wild Sky Wilderness Proposal, also known as House Bill 822. A gentleman in Washington State, Ed Husmann, asks that you provide him with a copy of your letters so that he may hand-carry a hopefully HUGE stack of them to Washington, D.C. for next Thursday's hearing. You can email him your letter at edforforests@msn.com or fax it to him at 360-793-7870, but please know that by so doing, you give a great help to not only him and other Washingtonians, but also to everyone that values the ability to enjoy more about lands and waters than a CLOSED sign, which is what H.R. 822 would do. Quote
E-rock Posted July 19, 2004 Posted July 19, 2004 Why is it that all you right wing fucktards ramble about crap like "moral fiber" and "I pray". What a long-winded piece of galvanized tripe. Tell your "friend" to take a comp class. Drama queens. Quote
Crux Posted July 19, 2004 Posted July 19, 2004 Oh. I get it. Wilderness areas are a crime against the Constitution, and proponents of wilderness designation should be "handcuffed and incarcerated" because they are proven harmful to America and Americans. We climbers should rise up and stop the imposition of this wicked "hideous and many headed Medusa" that stands against "the way mankind learns how to better steward his Genesis-mandated job over all the earth." We must allow "not ONE SQUARE INCH MORE" to be designated as Wilderness. Moreover, over time, we will do well to see to it that there are "a LOT of acres LESS of such areas." As Soiled Boy says, we have seen the destruction of democracy in the Dosewallips valley (of all places). Is it not now time to stop the madness! Email you senators! Senator your emailers! But please go on without me. I'm sorry. I'm just too fucking busy accessing my favorite areas in places like the Alpine Lakes and North Cascades to do what I know is right. I've always been that way. BTW: SB, you don't mind if I be campin' in yer backyard on my way to the Dose, do ya? Just think of it as an access issue. We'll get along just fine. mC Quote
Lars Posted July 19, 2004 Posted July 19, 2004 all you right wing fucktards funny, i was thinking the same thing about all you left wing fucktards and did i read that correctly? e-homo accusing someone else of being a drama queen? Quote
Stonehead Posted July 19, 2004 Posted July 19, 2004 THIS LAND IS YOUR LAND Words and music by Woody Guthrie Chorus: This land is your land, this land is my land From California, to the New York Island From the redwood forest, to the gulf stream waters This land was made for you and me As I was walking a ribbon of highway I saw above me an endless skyway I saw below me a golden valley This land was made for you and me Chorus I've roamed and rambled and I've followed my footsteps To the sparkling sands of her diamond deserts And all around me a voice was sounding This land was made for you and me Chorus The sun comes shining as I was strolling The wheat fields waving and the dust clouds rolling The fog was lifting a voice come chanting This land was made for you and me Chorus As I was walkin' I saw a sign there And that sign said "No trespassing" But on the other side, it didn't say nothing! Now that side was made for you and me! Chorus In the squares of the city, in the shadow of the steeple Near the relief office I see my people And some are grumbling and some are wondering If this land's still made for you and me. Chorus (2x) Quote
Skeezix Posted July 19, 2004 Posted July 19, 2004 What a raft of crap. We're a deeply flawed species, and sailboi's logic is representative. Quote
E-rock Posted July 20, 2004 Posted July 20, 2004 Lars, you're never very sure of when you've been trolled, are you? Quote
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