Today's hearings on capitol hill

[Fairweather]

A lone voice of reason during today's feeding frenzy up on Captol Hill. And it came from the mouth of one Democrat who is not trying to undermine our nation's efforts in Iraq....

 

JOE LIBERMANN:

 

"We're in the middle of a war — you wouldn't want to have the secretary of defense change unless there's really good reason for it and I don't see any good reason at this time."

 

 

"...I cannot help but say, however, that those who are responsible for killing 3,000 Americans on September 11th, 2001, never apologized. Those who have killed hundreds of Americans in uniform in Iraq, working to liberate Iraq and protect our security have never apologized, and those who murdered and burned and humiliated four Americans in Fallujah a while ago never received [issued] an apology from[to] anybody."

 

 

 

 

There is still a small glimmer of hope for the Democratic Party.

[Martlet]

I've always liked Lieberman. Unfortunately, he's too level headed and not driven by a blind hatred for all things conservative so the Dems will never nominate him nationally.

[slothrop]

The bad guys never apologized, so we shouldn't either? Huh? What kind of reasoning is that? Why should we behave like unrepentant murderous criminals?

 

If someone fucks up, they should apologize. Rumsfeld fucked up by not taking immediate steps to stop torture of prisoners as soon as he knew about it. I don't think he needs to resign, though.

[Martlet]

The bad guys never apologized, so we shouldn't either? Huh? What kind of reasoning is that? Why should we behave like unrepentant murderous criminals?

 

If someone fucks up, they should apologize. Rumsfeld fucked up by not taking immediate steps to stop torture of prisoners as soon as he knew about it. I don't think he needs to resign, though.

 

You apparently didn't listen to the testimony. Rummy did apologize.

[cj001f]

I've always liked Lieberman. Unfortunately, he's too level headed and not driven by a blind hatred for all things conservative so the Dems will never nominate him nationally.

Like as a VicePresident?

[slothrop]

You apparently didn't listen to the testimony. Rummy did apologize.

 

Where did I say that he didn't? I heard the testimony and Sec'y Rumsfeld apologized several times. Despite the well-scriptedness of the apologies, I was favorably impressed.

 

I was referring to Sen. Lieberman's statement that Fairweather quoted at length. Why would Sen. Lieberman say such a thing? It reads like the kind of political masturbation that turns me off, a self-evident grandiose statement that everyone agrees with.

[Blake]

a self-evident grandiose statement that everyone agrees with.

Exactly, the above quote describes half of yesterday's testimony. It seemed like every person used up half of their time with the obligatory pander "This should in no way reflect badly upon the 99% of troops who are great, and we love, and whose parents and cousins elect me... blah blah blah"

 

Everyone already knew this, and also knew that the prisoner torturing is unacceptable. They could have spent their limited time dealing with the situation, not repeating the same obvious pandering cliches.

[gotterdamerung]

There have only been somewhere in the neighborhood of 250K troops in Iraq since the beginning of the conflict. I don't see recognizing the sacrifices of 1% of the general US population as pandering. It simply points out that the behavior of a few criminals should not reflect on the greater effort in progress.

[RescueMan]

It simply points out that the behavior of a few criminals should not reflect on the greater effort in progress.

 

This kind of scapegoating and denial of real causes is typical of the "fog of war" - the official propaganda and the national refusal to see the larger picture, the picture that the rest of the world, particularly the Arab and Moslem world, well knows.

 

There is little likelihood of those really culpable either accepting responsibility or being properly punished for what is euphemistically being called an "aberration".

 

The army's own internal investigation called the mistreatment of detainees systemic. Rumsfeld had to admit that what hasn't yet been revealed is much worse than what has. We're talking rape and murder of prisoners who, by the army's own estimate are mostly innocent. There have been 25 inmate deaths at American hands, some by gunshot and some by blunt trauma.

 

It's been a universal historical truth that occupying powers become abusive to those they control, and America is no exception.

 

Nice of Rummy to apologize (I'm sure Bush forced him to take the heat), but it was his earlier cavalier dismissal of the relevance of international law which set the tone for these kinds of abuses.

 

When asked last year about US treatment of Guantanamo Bay prisoners, Rumsfeld said he didn't care about the Geneva Conventions. America, under an unelected president, has thumbed its nose at all international law as well as the US Constitution. That is how we got into Iraq with no reasonable justification and against the better judgement of the world community, and that is how we continue to behave - as a rogue nation unfettered by anything like civility or accountability. Which makes us as bad as the 9/11 terrorists and much more dangerous, given the size and power of our arsenal (including the WMDs we've used in Iraq - depleted uranium) and our willingness to use it to further our "interests".

 

- Robert

[Martlet]

It simply points out that the behavior of a few criminals should not reflect on the greater effort in progress.

 

This kind of scapegoating and denial of real causes is typical of the "fog of war" - the official propaganda and the national refusal to see the larger picture, the picture that the rest of the world, particularly the Arab and Moslem world, well knows.

 

There is little likelihood of those really culpable either accepting responsibility or being properly punished for what is euphemistically being called an "aberration".

 

The army's own internal investigation called the mistreatment of detainees systemic. Rumsfeld had to admit that what hasn't yet been revealed is much worse than what has. We're talking rape and murder of prisoners who, by the army's own estimate are mostly innocent. There have been 25 inmate deaths at American hands, some by gunshot and some by blunt trauma.

 

It's been a universal historical truth that occupying powers become abusive to those they control, and America is no exception.

 

Nice of Rummy to apologize (I'm sure Bush forced him to take the heat), but it was his earlier cavalier dismissal of the relevance of international law which set the tone for these kinds of abuses.

 

When asked last year about US treatment of Guantanamo Bay prisoners, Rumsfeld said he didn't care about the Geneva Conventions. America, under an unelected president, has thumbed its nose at all international law as well as the US Constitution. That is how we got into Iraq with no reasonable justification and against the better judgement of the world community, and that is how we continue to behave - as a rogue nation unfettered by anything like civility or accountability. Which makes us as bad as the 9/11 terrorists and much more dangerous, given the size and power of our arsenal (including the WMDs we've used in Iraq - depleted uranium) and our willingness to use it to further our "interests".

 

- Robert

 

Hey Robert, here you go. When you get done with that, take a look at this to familiarize yourself with how an electoral college works. It's how we elect our President, regardless of how many times the moonbats take it to court.

[Fairweather]

America, under an unelected president, has thumbed its nose at all international law as well as the US Constitution.

 

Michael Moore? Is that you hiding behind that avatar?

..Which makes us as bad as the 9/11 terrorists and much more dangerous....

 

Now you've crossed that line where I suggest that you are 'against us'. Fuck off, "Rescue Boy".