max Posted March 5, 2004 Share Posted March 5, 2004 (edited) Fixed wing and Helo fatalities for wildland fire operations (from http://www.airtanker.com/ on the memorial tab...) 1958 Joseph Anthony PBY 1958 Elliot Corbett 1958 Arnell Talbot PBY 1958 George Carey 1958 Stewart Kilgore PBY 1958 J. C. Brehm 1958 Geroge Jess 1958 Patrick Hendricks 1958 Donald Doughty 1958 Carl Milligan V-35 1958 Virgil Sanders 1958 William Archibald V-35 1958 LeRoy Englert 1960 Donald Ackers TBM 1962 Robert Hill N3N 1960 John Bowman B-25 1963 Dexter Booth Jr. TBM 1960 James Armstrong B-25 1963 Louis Leach F7F 1960 Charles Franco B-25 1963 James Mosely B26 1960 F.W. (Bill) Druehl TBM 1963 Charles Cline 1961 Charles Cochrane TBM 1963 Lester Liston 1961 Verd Beatty TBM 1963 Fredrick Childers 1961 Arthur Beall TBM 1963 Norman Yantze 1961 Bernard Evart F7F 1963 Robert Savaria P61 1961 Horold Hill B18 1963 John Trumbull 1961 Doyle Keeing PBY 1963 George R. Kunkel TBM 1961 Waldo John Hackman 1964 Lou Parker 1961 Render Matthews PBY 1966 John Hennessey AJ 1962 Alvin Walters TBM 1967 Paul Hanson B25 1962 Robert Christopherson F7F 1967 Donald Block 1962 Theodore Schueler 1968 Bob Morrison TBM 1962 William Chevrolt 1969 Dave Staudt PB4Y2 1962 Marice McFadden 1969 Wayne Garkie PB4Y2 1970 Don Campbell PBY 1975 Alford Adolph B17 1970 John Carter PBY 1975 Robert Rzyalinski B17 1970 Marcel Roberts TBM 1976 Don Goodman B26 1970 Ray Elgin B17T 1976 Ed Jinks B26 1970 John Bastian B17T 1976 Bill Sears S2 1970 Robert Holiday B17 1976 Larry Myers S2 1970 Mark Sloan B17 1977 Paul Bellville O2 1970 Robert Bloomfield B17 1977 Joe Holstein O2 1971 Dick Ranck TBM 1978 James Lippitt S2 1971 Harry Owens TBM 1978 Darwin Kern DC7 1972 David Poindexter B17 1978 John Turner DC7 1972 Wayne Waller B17 1978 Victor Mortan DC7 1973 Dick Rogers Bell 206 1978 Donald Baxter DC7 1974 Larry Mortinson PV2 1978 John Davis DC7 1974 Timothy Chittenden PV2 1979 Gayle Eaton S2 1974 John Fletcher B26 1979 Denny Conners C119 1974 George Stell PB4Y2 1979 Richard Ray C119 1974 Greg Stell PB4Y2 1979 Charles Colton B17 1974 Bill Benedict F7F 1979 Joe LeRoux B17 1974 Mike Fagen F7F 1979 Bob Masters B17 1974 Dick Miller F7F 1980 Clyde Alford DC4 1985 Bill Harnden PBY 1980 Don Letnes DC4 1986 Richard Boyd S2 1981 Lou Remsehner C119 1986 Clarence Lind S2 1981 Teddy Sveum C119 1987 Bill Berg C119 1981 Merton Jackson T34 1987 Stephen Harrell C119 1982 James Eakin S2 1987 Charles Peterson C119 1983 Bill Smothers B26 1987 Nathan Kolb P2V 1984 Ed Real S2 1987 Woodward Miller P2V 1984 Ted Bell S2 1987 Donn Johnson S2 1985 James Dunlap PBY 1988 Chuck Watkins BE-58P 1985 Tim Trudell PBY 1990 Ralph Glasgow P2V 1995 Lisa Nitsch DC4 1990 Stephen Bovey P2V 1995 Mike Smith BE-58P 1991 John Sieglinger P3 1995 Robert Hollins Hughes 369D 1991 Robert Shaw P3 1996 Lee Sunderstrom Dromader 18A 1991 Henry Kim BE-58P 1997 John Hirth PV2 1992 Chuck Sheridan DC7 1997 William Babka PV2 1992 Leonard Martin DC7 1997 David Kyle OV10 1992 Roger Stark S2 1997 Floyd Hiser Bell 206 1994 Bob Buc C130 1998 Duane Williams CH54 1994 Joe Johnson C130 1998 George Converse CH54 1994 Shawn Zaremba C130 1998 Jose Castillo CH54 1994 Bob Kelly P2V 1998 J. D. Donahue P2V 1994 Randy Lynn P2V 1998 Chuck Key P2V 1995 Gary Cockrell DC4 1998 Gary Nagel S2 2000 Carl Payne AT802 2000 Kip Krigbaum Vertol KV-107 2000 Sam Tobias 337 2002 Steve Wass C130 2000 Leo W. Koponen 337 2002 Craig LaBare C130 2000 Lester Shadrick Bell 412 2002 Mike Davis C130 2000 David Newman UH1H 2002 Rick Schwartz PB4Y2 2000 Mike Fossett UH1H 2002 Milt Stollak PB4Y2 2001 Doug Gilbert Thrush S-2R 2002 Leonard G. Knight Aerospatiale Lama 2001 Larry Groff S2 2003 Carl Dolbeare P2V-7 2001 Lars Stratte S2 2003 John Attardo P2V-7 2001 Richard Hernandez Vertol KV-107 2001 Santi Arouitx Vertol KV-107 If this is crap, it's not just internet crap. I saw this photo published in .... "Fire Management" (?) page with CBS video footage of catastophic wing failure mid-flight (try the link in lower right under multimedia tab..) and another crash in CO from the same year (if I remember correctly...) of a PBY: These planes are just pushed to the limit ALL the time. There are no "milk runs" here. 200ft off the deck at 150+ knots, full payloads, turbulent air, always new terrain, and other air resources buzzing around. Dangerous! Edited March 5, 2004 by max Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ducknut Posted March 5, 2004 Share Posted March 5, 2004 Its sad, but hand-me down ex-military aircraft that already have mega airframe hours doesn't help either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EWolfe Posted March 5, 2004 Share Posted March 5, 2004 Props It's great when Monster garage uses $10,000 aircraft parts for their projects for almost nothing. They get 'em for the cost of the aluminum weight cuz they are retired from airframe hours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Posted March 5, 2004 Share Posted March 5, 2004 That pic where the plane is going past the pickup low to the ground isn't a crash pic. I've seen it before and there are photos from several different angles that show that though it looks like its gonna crash, it doesn't. Apparently, the hill drops away really steeply on that side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fejas Posted March 5, 2004 Share Posted March 5, 2004 This do it for ya then! I still feel safer flying across country then I do drive through seattle at 5pm... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max Posted March 5, 2004 Share Posted March 5, 2004 That pic isn't a crash pic... Right. I was just pointing out the serious stress on airframes used for fire, not to mention the thrashing many of these planes recieved during their (classified!) military tours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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