richard_noggin Posted March 5, 2004 Posted March 5, 2004 I almost forgot this one because it happened two years ago. My wife was working an office job (hey all that cubical $#!T's the same) the boss hires his daughter ,has my wife train her , tramps her after 12 years,has to go to work doing the same thing in another office at a drop in pay and starting at the bottom of the bennie line. The company had a fire at will policy WTF Maybe this is what unions are about Quote
marylou Posted March 5, 2004 Posted March 5, 2004 It's okay Tbay. I'm not an aspiring screenwriter. Nor a janitor, so no worries. Quote
Greg_W Posted March 5, 2004 Posted March 5, 2004 Bought a 1/2-gallon of Darigold milk last night. Quote
mr.radon Posted March 5, 2004 Posted March 5, 2004 Hey a friend of mine is going to see Oklahoma. I would go but it’s not a good play to take a first date to. Since it’s spray I guess we can get personal, but it doesn’t mean we should. It’s interesting that MaryLou has sold us her position with the union as the benevolent member who goes the extra two miles to help out the union and it’s members. If only every union worker were so dedicated. In reality she’s an extreme anomaly. Unions stand on the position that their members should be able to exercise the right of association. However, they do not consider that they prevent the same, my right not to associate. MaryLou still has not explained why unions should have the right to any of my money if I work in a closed shop. If I choose not to associate with the union I shouldn’t be forced to have them represent me. If I receive an employment offer from a company, I should have the right to negotiate my own contract with said employer. Many laws are in effect to protect the tyranny of the majority over the minority, why can’t I be protected from the tyranny of the union? If 50.1% of the employees are brainwashed into voting to unionizing, why can’t I choose not to follow these particular lemmings over the cliff’s edge? Let those 50.1% have their little union and the rest of us smart employees do what we want; like point, snicker and laugh at the union members? The huge ire Organized labor has is its totalitarian mentality. They want absolute control over everything, like the Communists. Unions should be able to stand on their own two feet, they shouldn’t be propped up by having the ability to steal money from my paycheck. If I’m not a member I don’t want to pay nor play. If I don’t pay I don’t expect representation, PERIOD. MayLou you argue the reason these non-members have to pay is to cover service the union is required to provide them? Well why can’t you and union accept the fact some people don’t want the union to negotiate on their behalf? That we don’t want your services? If there are laws on the books requiring the union to represent every worker weather or not they joined, then obviously the law is un-constitional. Anyhow, curious how you defend your position. Maybe I just need to be sent away to a Labor Union re-education camp for a few years because I just do not see what benefit Unions provide to society other then some good made for TV movies like “Hoffa”. Quote
mr.radon Posted March 5, 2004 Posted March 5, 2004 (edited) With a teenager in the house I'm glad I can support a model company like Darigold. I'll be sure to get all my sour cream, milk and yogurt from them. I'll be sure to specifically ask a union store clerk to show me where each Darigold product is. Edited March 5, 2004 by mr.radon Quote
marylou Posted March 6, 2004 Posted March 6, 2004 Well, Mr. Radon, I don't have a lot of razzle-dazzle for you here. I've shared my own experiences here for you all to consider, and I've been somewhat written off as a rare exception. Me and all of the other people I've worked with in my Local and some of the other Locals here in Seattle. As far as not working under a CBA in a union shop, well that's not the way it works. Either a shop is or is not union. The way a group of workers unionize is by majority vote. Once the vote had been taken, the employer is legally obligated to negotiate. The union folks hope for the best, as having a majority of the workers wanting representation should warrant getting an agreement. I went to the AFL-CIO Organizing Institute for training, but organizing is not my forte. It was really just so I'd have a solid understanding of the process so I could be a more effective negotiator. what they teach you in organizing school is not really what I'd call coercion. Why would we want to represent people who don't want to be represented? There is not currently a legal mechanism for having workers defined within the bargaining unit to work in a non-represented capacity. All I can tell you, if you are so opposed to it, is to try and find a place to work that is non-union. Quote
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