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How about Porta-ledges? I was going to go with internal frame packs.

There you go - it's the retailers' fault! They must be sabotaging them somehow after they leave the factory! No, but I would make sure those retailers actually bought them directly from CCH, and that they weren't used by a customer and restocked (as more than one retailer has been known to do)

Se habla ingles? Like a retard for expecting something other than spray on a message board

Not a duck. You are just bitching about he framed his response - you don't really give a fuck what he said.

Ahhhh.... RUMR wants a good PR flack for CCH, isn't that sweet. He doesn't care about substance, he wants a pretty answer. Awwwww.... how fitting for a whiny little rock gimp.

Like a retard for expecting something other than spray on a message board And if I were a manufacturer I wouldn't believe shit until it's actually in my hands. Which is the way QC has worked at the companies I've worked for.....

stringem up right short shit? Lynch 'em! Salve your shortperson angst with a good killin'!

Sounds like you had stellar service too! Telemark-Pyrenees is good - ~5 business days delivered for $455. Barrabes also stocks them - don't know the shipped total from them.

Not me, I've climbed in more countries than you this past year [/end spray] I've never heardof, nor had problems with shockcords in good repair snapping down to -20F.

It has? There are some people who assert they've CCH cams that are defective. Technically we don't know how many, whether these were actually sold - or someone picked them off the factory floor (happens alot!), or how compromised those defects make the product.

He doesn't want to give someone else blueprints on how to build aliens so they can then go overseas and make them for cheap? It's called proprietary information - most companies keep that stuff quiet. I don't know how to go about restoring confidence caused by an idiotic internet lynch mob - I'm not in PR.

fool.

Are you competent to interpret the answer? From reading most companies websites and the responses here seems 95% of climbers aren't.

You think a company that batch produces when they feel like it isn't "amateurish"? Doesn't mean they can't do good quality machining. QC is a garbage in garbage out procedure. Comeon, tell me this isn't a f'ing surprise. yeah, but if they can't even identify the stoned climber that produced the shit in which batch they are in deep shit... Exactly. I'd just like to know exactly how half-assed their operation is. Bring on the blowhards! Bring on the mindless consumers who don't know WTF they are talking about and can be easily impressed with statistics and ISO #s! Vive les consultants!

that's a one in a million failure, particularly in the relatively warm PNW

Hey, jizz on the screen might coverup the knownothing shit you are spewing .

ummm, all depends on the # they have, what serials, etc. STFU rumr, I'm tired of seeing farts on the screen.

You think a company that batch produces when they feel like it isn't "amateurish"? Doesn't mean they can't do good quality machining. QC is a garbage in garbage out procedure. Comeon, tell me this isn't a f'ing surprise.

well, if you are a one man shop and that one man constantly inspects the work you've got a good QC procedure. You only need to formalize it if you grow (more people more variance) or if you want some standards compliance.

yeah, well "hearsay" or marketing drivel describes most publically published QC procedures to my mind.

jeezus you are a whiny little bitch. Get the fuck over it. BD, WC they've all fucked up gear too.

You've more to fear from the electron ray gun you are sitting in front of or the myriad other chemicals you are subjected to. Or the source of the water in your nalgene.

A slam! from the wacko jacko lookalike!

Well, if the Sierras or Coast Range are what you consider real mountains....

Don't forget to leave BKK as soon as possible. Sounds like fun