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    NPR "Enviro-science"

    in Spray

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    Weather events, overloads, and plain management screw-ups cause discharge of primary-treated and even raw human sewage into the watershed across the US---often.

     

    This is true.

     

     

    I challenge anyone to point to real evidence of significant acquifer contamination from livestock operations. This is a 'scary spectre' story that forces the target of the story to defend itself.

     

    i don't have any figures, but my point is that contamination is the biggest threat or problem, not that it occurs on a monumental scale.

     

     

    And don't let people tell you that agriculture and industry are the bad guys in aquifer depletion, either. The fastest-growing user of aquifer water is---we residential/commercial users. You can look at depletion-zone cones on maps, and the majority of them are centered on municipal areas due to their water supply. But who is cutting back on water use in their home? People are building bigger houses, with multiple shower-heads in their showers. (I wonder how many shower heads are in Bill Gates' home?)

     

    I am not in the livestock business, but I do have a pretty good working knowledge about watersheds and about aquifers across the US.

     

    well, you don't have to convince me there. yes, humans are putting more pressure on water supplies. but i'm not arguing that point. i simply tried to assert that water pollution is one of the biggest problems facing livestock farmers in today's environmental/political atmosphere.

     

    i have relatives who are ranchers and farmers. i also have a BS in Env. Sci... I've spent enough time listening to radical idiots on both extremes of the spectrum to generally know a crap argument or sensationalism when i see it.

     

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    NPR "Enviro-science"

    in Spray

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    most human waste goes through treatment centers. it's not generally just pumped into rivers or aquifers in its raw state.

     

    lots of hog waste ends up getting into the aquifer or rivers/streams in its raw form, without treatment. this can also lead to disease, which as freeclimb9 indicated, is also a problem.

     

    i know a couple dairy/hog farming families. at least here in idaho, odor's not too much of a problem, except when some developer plops a new neighborhood near a farm. it's more about the water issue. at least that what it seems the EPA writes the most fines for...

     

    peace,

    3 O'Clock Rock Sunday

    in North Cascades

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    right on. that route is cool, although when i did it a couple years ago, i didn't know that it went on past the top of the 5th pitch, so we rapped off, thinking we were done.

     

    how many more pitches are there and what are they like, ie gear, difficulty, etc?

     

    it would be fun to do the rest of the route some day, especially now that the 'meathooks' are gone off the crux pitch!

    Projects for 2003

    in Spray

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    next summer's plans are to:

     

    1. work some new lines on a handful of 600 - 1200 ft granite slabs and domes around here (some of the slabs/domes may still be unclimbed)

     

    2. get on some of the great existing crack lines here

     

    3. have a lot of fun accomplishing this all

     

    good luck to everyone.

     

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