Yall be hate-as. I own some MH gear and i like it. I just bout the GTX 2.5 pants ,there in da mail, so i have yet to try them. Just remember some of the bigest names in climbing use there gear on some of the toughest hills. Just look at the Ed (ed viesturs) and others, though wheather its good gear is just upon the user. Peace out-Collin