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someone clean it off! or is it raining there?

how bout axars?

no i dont own a normal pair i want to get into ice climbing but i dont know what tools to buy. id mainly be doing alpine and WI no dry tooling or anything mabye mixed if i run into some. the only thing i want to know is if anyone has used both and would like to coment on the faults or good things about leashed tools or leashless

so the chances of a drop are slim?

whats your guy's take on em? do the pro's outweigh the fact that you could drop the tools?

i run and bike though i dont know what a "good" bike workout feels like usually because im so tired from running the last previous weeks. as far as workout running is way better but moutain biking (on mountains and dirt biking and quad riding areas) also gives you quite the workout, it takes a LONG time on a` road bike to get the equivalent workout that it is running. running is alot harder on the body though.

what kind of price should i expect for one of these?

thankyoui think i will take your advice

damnit i need cash if i had that much i would buy quarks lol im just need something that will do for a couple of seasons untill i can afford better and i dont plan on dry tooling or anything just a little ice and alpine

and do you know anyone that wants to sell axars or any of these old school tools

you know the pinky hook on new quarks? is it possible to put one of those things on one of these older tools?

ah so the main difference is in weight not reach

pics (left axar right pulsar bottom quasar) they all pretty much look the same as far as reach but is axar my best bet? 416413-iceaxe.doc

any note on the pulsar>? or are they basically the same as the quasar

well i dont quite have the cash to buy 2 quarks yet

are these suckers a nice bet for starting ice climbing? whats are their strengths and faults? and what about pulsars r they any good?

hurricane ridge would be great

thanks for the info guys and thanks tread tramp for the tip

yes swaterfall thank you for the clarification thats all i wanted to know

i was more interested in the snow what a bummer

http://www.promountainsports.com./ice-axes.shtml i mean this or this http://mtntools.com/cat/alpineice/axes/charletmoserquarkicetools.htm

thx

scratch the previous question ive seen two different pictures of the quark one has the hook thing at the bottom like rafael was talking about and one doesnt if i was to go and buy a pair from rei or someplace which one would i get? am i seeing two different models and if so which one is newer

does anyone really know?

i plan to get quarks, but could they also suit my purpose for on hard snow if i was mountaineering? and could that be helped if i got a bigger pick?