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Please reread what I said, I believe the Press are accessories. http://reference.allrefer.com/encyclopedia/A/accessor.html By focussing perpetually on the unfortunate and inevitable negatives, with the intent to damage their nemisis, GWB, they weaken will of our troops, while strengthening the adversaries. This matter is developing in a similar way to the Viet Nam war in the sense that Kerry and his press supporters are lending comfort to the enemy, while our troopers NECKS are on the line, literally. This is being done by Kerry once again for his PERSONAL GAIN ! The continuous news coverage of the WMD issue, and the claim that our Commander in Chief of the military is a liar in this regard, and has deliberately misled the nation, make no mention of the shrill support of Democratic leaders on the WMD issue : http://www.scaryjohnkerry.com/wmd.htm http://www.brookesnews.com/042106_media_bin_laden.html The other accusation of dishonesty against GWB is the 9-11 connection to Iraq. But where is the basis for that allegation. www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39085 However, there is a huge amount of evidence that Saddam was an "accessory" ( that word again ) : http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39025 Meanwhile back to the origional purpose of this thread : http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39116 THEY WANT TO CHOP OFF YOUR HEAD , MY MAN

The most important issues for Climbers is access. It matters not what Kerry's positions are , he has the Dark Greens imbedded in his campaign organization, and these people will be appointed to positions of POWER. Kerry was abscent from the Senate 87% of the time, don't expect him to supervise these radicals. They hold as a basic and non-negotiable position that the word "untrammeled", as it appears in the Wilderness Act, means NO PEOPLE ! You can study their plans to restore 40% of the USA to "untrammeled" Wilderness here: http://www.citizenreviewonline.org/special_issues/wildlands_project_step_by_step.htm The plans for people include forcing them increasingly into urban settings, surrounded by wildlife which will be free to view the humanoids in their cage !! This plan is advancing faster than it's promoters expected, and preventing the repair of roads is a key element. The advocates of Wild Sky, for example, are extoling the preservation of public access. After they get the Wilderness designation, it becomes and excuse to close the area. Some of the same groups that advocate Wild Sky, are using the Buckhorn and Brothers Wilderness as an excuse to keep the Dosewallips Rd closed !

The Press in the West is doing a fine job of being an accessory to these murderers, with the help of Michael Moore ! sailBOI, please explain how The Press helped commit murder. Over 70% of the Press are Liberal Dems ( actual poll by Time Mag ) They want to get rid of Bush, plain and simple. When do they ever publish the positive outcomes ?? The Courts and Schools in Iraq are functioning, the economy is growing ! See attached : Task Force 185th Aviation continues to play a key role in the success of U.S. Military operations here in Iraq. The temperatures are hot (110+), our center of gravity is aircraft maintenance (keeping them in the air) and our morale remains high with teamwork. This week we'd like to tell you some more great news about what's going on here in Iraq that you will not read or hear on the news. 1. In the last month attacks on Iraqi police forces have decreased by more than 50%. 2. Last quarter the dinar, Iraq's currency, increased almost 15% against the dollar. 3. Income on oil currently goes into a fund controlled by the UN, but will soon be controlled by the new interim Iraqi government. 4. Despite terrorist violence, Iraq has attracted more than 7 million foreign visitors. 5. Over the past year Iraq has absorbed over 1 million refugees returning from exile. 6. A building boom in Iraq is currently underway. 7. 400 of the 5,000 Villages that experienced ethnic cleansing from Saddam have been rebuilt. 8. This year Iraq is having a bumper harvest with record crops, especially wheat. 9. Iraq could become agriculturally self-sufficient for the first time in 30 years. 10. Iraq's economic future looks good with water, fertile land, oil and hard working people. All they need is freedom. 11. In the past 10 months elections have been held in 37 municipalities. The old regime, hard line Islamist groups collected a mere 1% to 3% of the vote. 12. Iraq is like a jostling school of democracy with people coming together in clubs, associations, tribal councils, professional guilds and trade unions. 13. Pro-democracy voices dominate the new privately owned Iraqi press in 200 daily, weekly and periodic publications. 14. All but four of the 26 government departments set up after liberation are now under exclusive Iraqi control. 15. Prime Minister Allawi has been sworn in ahead of the transfer of power. 16. The new government, which includes five women, is a broad based coalition representing Iraq's ethnic, religious and political diversity. 17. Iraq's diverse political groups have already agreed on a draft constitution. 18. Iraq will participate in the Olympic games in Athens. Considering the fact Iraq is recovering from half a century of brutal dictatorship and three wars in one generation, their future looks great. Well-wishers should keep the faith as we will continue to prove the doomsters wrong. In closing, let me quote one of Ronald Reagan's favorite sayings; "There's no limit to what a man can do or where he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit". What a great quote and what a great President he was. We salute President Ronald Reagan. Please continue to keep us in your thoughts and prayers and please stay tuned to our websites: www.185aviation.com and www.cog185.com CATFISH 6 Bradly MacNealy TF 185th Aviation "In the Sunni Triangle"

The Press in the West is doing a fine job of being an accessory to these murderers, with the help of Michael Moore !

This war is against us all.....! War Against the Infidels The message behind the beheadings. by Paul Marshall in The Weekly Standard 07/05/2004, Volume 009, Issue 41 THE BEHEADING of American Paul Johnson in Saudi Arabia was terrible enough in itself, but for me it struck strangely close to home. Johnson's full name was Paul Marshall Johnson. When he was kidnapped, some media outlets, and the terrorists, referred to him as "Paul Marshall (Johnson)," with the surname in parentheses. The first I knew of the abduction was a phone call to my office from a network evening news reporter who thought that, since I have written on the Saudis and terrorism and was planning to return to the Middle East, I must be the one who had been kidnapped. Then on Friday, June 18, al Qaeda announced Johnson's death with the words, "In answer to what we promised . . . to kill the hostage Paul Marshall (Johnson) . . . the infidel got his fair treatment," prompting more calls from friends and reporters. Happily, of course, I could reassure them. But the episode underlined the fact that all of us are potential targets--and not just as Americans. Certainly, al Qaeda wants to kill Americans and drive them from the Arabian Peninsula, not least to cripple Saudi oil production. But the extremists, who beheaded a South Korean last week, have many more enemies than this and much larger goals. The statement announcing Johnson's death referred to him as an "infidel"--in Arabic kufr, unbeliever--rather than as an American. This is entirely consistent with al Qaeda's religiously based worldview and its recent actions. A few weeks before Johnson's death, the man believed to be his murderer, al Qaeda operative Abdelaziz al-Muqrin (himself reportedly killed on June 18 by Saudi security forces), had claimed credit for the May 29 massacre of 22 people at Khobar, Saudi Arabia. His statement on that occasion vowed, "We renew our determination to repel the crusader forces and their arrogance, to liberate the land of Muslims, to apply sharia [islamic law] and cleanse the Arabian Peninsula of infidels." The Khobar attacks, too, were directed at "infidels" in general rather than just Americans. But to understand indelibly who al Qaeda thinks its enemies are, it is advisable to read an even more chilling document. It is a long interview with another Saudi terrorist, one of al-Muqrin's followers, published on the al Qaeda-linked website Sawt Al-Jihad and translated from Arabic by the Middle East Media Research Institute. Although only brief excerpts can be given here, lengthy excerpts are available on MEMRI's website. The speaker, Fawwaz bin Muhammad Al-Nashami, commanded the Al-Quds [Jerusalem] Brigade, which took responsibility for the Khobar killings. In the interview he describes the murderous rampage (except where indicated, bracketed inserts are the translator's): We tied the infidel [a Briton] by one leg [behind the car]. . . . Everyone watched the infidel being dragged. . . . The infidel's clothing was torn to shreds, and he was naked in the street. The street was full of people, as this was during work hours, and everyone watched the infidel being dragged, praise and gratitude be to Allah. . . . We entered one of the companies' [offices], and found there an American infidel who looked like a director of one of the companies. I went into his office and called him. When he turned to me, I shot him in the head, and his head exploded. We entered another office and found one infidel from South Africa, and our brother Hussein slit his throat. We asked Allah to accept [these acts of devotion] from us, and from him. This was the South African infidel. We went out from the company [offices] and found our brother, Nimr the hero, standing at the entrance to the company and guarding us, drinking a little water as though he were on a hike. [He acted this way] because of his great courage--may Allah have mercy on him. . . . At the same time, we found a Swedish infidel. Brother Nimr cut off his head, and put it at the gate so that it would be seen by all those entering and exiting. We continued in the search for the infidels, and we slit the throats of those we found among them. . . . We found Filipino Christians. We cut their throats and dedicated them to our brothers the Mujahideen in the Philippines. [Likewise], we found Hindu engineers and we cut their throats too, Allah be praised. That same day, we purged Muhammad's land of many Christians and polytheists. . . . Afterwards, we turned to the hotel. We entered and found a restaurant, where we ate breakfast and rested a while. Then we went up to the next floor, found several Hindu dogs, and cut their throats. . . . The Indian Muslims told us that their manager was a vile Hindu who did not permit them to pray, and that he would arrive shortly. When [the manager] arrived, we verified his religion by means of his identifying documents, and we kept him with us for a short time [before killing him--PM]. . . . brother Hussein was on the stairs and noticed an Italian infidel. He aimed his gun at him and told him to come closer. The infidel came closer. We saw his identifying documents . . . afterwards we would cut his throat and dedicate him to the Italians who were fighting our brothers in Iraq and to the idiotic Italian president who wants to confront the lions of Islam. Consistently, these Wahhabis describe their enemies, whatever their country or race or politics, as "infidels" or "polytheists." They are particularly joyful at the killing of an Italian, a Briton, and, on June 22, the South Korean Kim Sun-il, whose countries are participants in the coalition in Iraq. But they also kill a Swede and a South African, whose countries took no part in the invasion, and their greatest frisson seems to come from killing Hindus, who, as purported polytheists, are even further down al Qaeda's religious scale than "people of the book" such as Christians and Jews. The pattern is consistent. It was discernible in the Riyadh massacres of November 8, 2003, when the target was Lebanese Christians. It's why, when BBC correspondent Frank Gardner lay bleeding in the street after being shot by terrorists in Riyadh earlier this month, he could buttress his claim for help by calling out in Arabic, "I'm a Muslim, help me, I'm a Muslim, help me." Americans, to be sure, are perceived to be the greatest power among the infidels. But at Khobar, after debating the matter, the terrorists spared one American because he was a Muslim, and even apologized to him for getting blood on his carpet. Meanwhile, they happily killed Filipino, Swedish, British, Italian, and South African Christians and Indian Hindus--just as their allies in Thailand are killing Buddhists like the 63-year-old rubber-tapper Sieng Patkaoe, beheaded in late May. Muslims who do not share the extremists' vision are not spared. Al Qaeda's Algerian ally, the Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat, has for several years been beheading Muslims it regards as apostates. Meanwhile Sudan's National Islamic Front, formerly called the Muslim Brotherhood and, like Hamas, an offshoot of the Egyptian group of the same name, is attempting to starve to death hundreds of thousands of Muslims in Darfur who do not share its vision. These killings are not about the Abu Ghraib prison scandal or American actions in Iraq and Afghanistan, though those are grievances. They are not about Israel, though that is another grievance. In fact, most of the Islamist terrorists' victims worldwide are not Americans or even Westerners, but Asian and Middle Eastern Christians, Muslims, and Hindus. For the extremists, the justification for the slaughter is not current foreign policy but rather--as the religious exaltation, even ecstasy, in Al-Nashami's interview shows--an apocalyptic war to purge the world of all but their version of Islam. Spaniards will not be spared because Spanish troops are gone from Iraq. Europe cannot make its way into the terrorists' good graces by distancing itself from America, any more than the United States can mollify the Islamists by acting through the United Nations or wooing "world opinion." These are fantasies. Al Qaeda's enemy is anyone who opposes its program for the restoration of a unified Muslim ummah, ruled by a new Caliphate, governed by reactionary Islamic sharia law, and organized to wage jihad on the rest of the world. The lesson of Riyadh, Khobar, and Paul Marshall Johnson is that we can resist this program, in which case, tragically, we may well see more videos of beheadings. Or we can acquiesce to this program and see a great many more beheadings. These are the choices. We are in a war we must win. Everything else is wishful thinking. Paul Marshall is a senior fellow at Freedom House's Center for Religious Freedom and the author of Islam at the Crossroads. C Copyright 2004, News Corporation, Weekly Standard, All Rights Reserved.

Was this person from Broadway or from "the Ave" ?

Please stop attempting to get this legitimate ACCESS thread moved to the SPRAY forum. I have asked you previously to stop denegrating me and my efforts. I am not a "creationist", and if you wish to compare educational credentials, this is not the place, but I will say that I am a scientist with considerable education ! Might I suggest that you not post when you have been drinking ( and thanks again for increasing the awareness toward www.brinnonprosperity.org )

The rural areas of the Western US are increasingly being ruled by administrative environmental preceedures. If the Dark Greens don't get what they want in that manner, they move on to administration by litigation. No doubt money is an issue, it doesn't grow on trees anymore, and NFS was forced to spend $100 million studying micro organisms, consequent to the NW Forest Plan. ONF will spend more answering the critics, than the Dosewallips Road repair costs. After all that, the Enviros cite the excessive cost of the repair in their appeals - gimme a break ! Then there is the cost to South Jefferson County of not having 55,000 Park visitors each season. But what about people like you and Fairweatheer, how do you value 4 years of lost opportunities ? Meanwhile, democracy is definitely threatened! We have most of our citizens, and all of our elected representatives on record for this repair, and a tiny minority continues to stop it....minority rule is what that is in my view. We all own the ONP and are being barred from ready entry. In my 22 years of using the Dose Trail head, I never saw any abuse to the environment, many of these purists are avid hikers and they don't want to share this Park with the rest of us who have less time to get in there. If you read what they have been saying over the years on their web sites, the contempt shows pretty clearly! www.brinnonprosperity.org

The USFS has withdrawn the decision to repair the Dosewallips Road. A revised EA will be released by this Fall. http://www.peninsuladailynews.com/sited/story/html/166841 This work is only able to be done in the Fall, due to environmental constraints, so the road will remain closed this summer and next summer. There is no question that we are losing 4 years of access due to a vocal minority who are utilizing convoluted environmental regulations in ways never intended by Congress, to eliminate an access corridor specifically mandated by Congress. The saddest aspect is that Democracy itself is in jeoprady. As evidenced in these forums, most people want environmental protection, but not at the cost of lost access. The issue is that certain purists want the word "untrammeled" , as used in the Wilderness Act, to mean NO PEOPLE ! Your comments on the unfortunate delay can be addressed to: appeals-pacificnorthwest-regional-office@fs.fed.us Thanks......... www.brinnonprosperity.org

" It's a shame he's such a manipulative bastard with a moonbat agenda. " Like Kerry during NAM , his actions are hanging our warriors out to dry. They are already facing decapitation every day, and that is before Moore decapitates the USA !

The thread is about trying to discredit people who want to prevent the demise of Democracy and the rule of the West by Evonazis. I appreciate all the free publicity johndavid is giving www.brinnonprosperity.org because we are very clear in pointing to the rascals who oppose public access to, and public use of, the Public Lands that we are ALL PAYING FOR !

Yes, they don't want to see the logging. The hard fact is that once we export these jobs, be it resource or manufacturing, there is often less enviro protection. This would apply to oil spills in Siberia, manufacturing in China and logging practices most anywhere. As I say, we cannot afford this, financially we are burrowing ever deeper into debt and environmentally we have exported and worsened the problems. As we approach 300 million people, we must be looking at the most friendly way to utilize what we have here in the USA. The lowest impact is had by harvesting at home, there is less handling and shipping and we are in control of the enviro impacts. As I say, the opponents to this are mostly living in wooden houses.........so there is a certain duplicity !

Amazing...that some people actually believe this dribble. It's pure fantasy but not unlike New Age beliefs in things such as ancient astronauts and such. The link that johndavid attributes to our site is not linked there......but it is interesting ! As a scientist, I learned to not ignore any theory out of hand...and I am not closeminded. I think he should stop maligning our effort to help preserve access to ONP for all Americans...!

Thanks so much for promoting our web site. You are correct that we have linked the Real Estate brokers in our area, but we have also linked all the other businesses. Would you suggest that we only link some of the businesses ?? The links are a public service to visitors. You have continuously attempted to discredit our web site inspite of my telling you that we have no interest in development. We are happy to have two wilderness areas on our doorstep, and are in favor of additional wilderness. We are not right or left wing, but Libertarian, believing in less government, and more personal responsibility. The links on our site speak for themselves, and we also link the sites of the opponents to this road repair. ( they would never link our site !! ) Please check out my post on your other thread : http://www.cascadeclimbers.com/threadz/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/359513/page/0/view/collapsed/sb/5/o/all/fpart/1 There is nothing on our site that warrants your vicious attacks.........

Over protection? Try they cut the Olympics clean. See much timber of harvestable size left on the peninsula outside of the National Park? I haven't. Whether you care about preserving old growth or not, by it's nature it's a finite resource (relative to our lifetimes), and little remains of it - why sacrifice this irreplaceable (again, in our lifetimes) resource, for an extra 5 years of logging employment? I don't favor cutting Old Growth, and was not referring to Olypen resources in particular. There is an element in the Enviro movement that wants all cutting on Federal lands stopped. We have the timber in the US to supply our builders, why should we be exporting the milling industry to Canada ?? Look at our trade balance, we cannot afford the luxury of not touching 40% of the lands west of the Missippi River.......we need to place the remainder of Old Growth into Wilderness designation, and employ the ballance wisely. There are a number of areas on the east side of the Olympics that are ready to harvest, and a deal should be struck to add to the Wilderness areas, and selectively harvest other areas.

The facts are here: http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39025 Saddams demise has led to Ghadafi turning coat and cooperation with the US. It is too late for the Lockerbie families , however !

It is perhaps ironic that most opponents to logging live in wooden houses, and most opponents to oil drilling drive cars ! We need to preserve old growth, but increase the yield from timber lands. The building supply companies on the Olympic Peninsula are all selling Canadian lumber, so the jobs went to Canada. This is a direct result of over protection during the last 20 years. We need to protect Wilderness areas, but allow cutting on other federal lands. Of all building materials, timber is the most enviro-friendly. Steel, concrete, aluminum and plastic are all requiring high usage of carbon fuels. Wood is a carbon sink and is biodegradable in the long run, making it the ideal material. The Indians made a practice of burning off areas of forest to provide grazing and foraging for animals that they hunted. There is much less food for the fauna in mature old growth than in areas burned or cut. This is another benefit of harvesting trees.

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Fairweather, what a nice jesture. Even though johndavidjr has seen my post last month stating that brinnonprosperity is not involved in development, he has continued on this diatribe. We in Jefferson County have welcomed people like yourself and him for generations. He should keep in mind when visiting, that the incredibly "cheap" County buses he rides, are subsidised by we the taxpayers of Jefco, and we pay for the roads he rides on. Brinnonprosperity.org is not some right wing site, and has fairly portrayed the access issue, including links to the opponents sites. The views expressed therein are reflective of the majority of Jefco residents, who have the most to lose with closure of access. There are no development interests involved in our effort, and we have clearly stated that we favor more wilderness, provided there is access. We consider that our efforts and considerable expense are a service to all Americans, of all ages, who want to see the Parks they are paying for! I hope that johndavidjr has a nice trip to our area, and that he stops to think of all those who are paying every day to make his trip possible......especially those of us here in Jefferson County, Washington..

You are completely incorrect about me and my efforts. Furthermore, you do not seem to be the sort of polite person most of us would prefer sharing the Wilderness with.....

Please go to this link to lend support : http://www.cascadeclimbers.com/threadz/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/343881/page/0/view/collapsed/sb/5/o/all/fpart/1

Most of the folks I have met hikings the Dosewallips area over 21 years are very nice people. I am sure, however, that there are exceptions. Brinnon residents are willing to put up with the occasional bad egg, however, and are strongly supporting the continued access for hikers, climbers and whiterwater buffs. Users should recognize that Jefferson County taxpayers are providing the first 7 miles of the Dosewallips Rd. , and be considerate of residents there. This is the last day to comment: http://brinnonprosperity.org/focusitem_dose.html http://brinnonprosperity.org/support_letter.html

You now have a chance to EMAIL your support to the appeals officer , see: http://brinnonprosperity.org/dose_appeal.html And review comments here: http://www.cascadeclimbers.com/threadz/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/343881/page/0/view/collapsed/sb/5/o/all/fpart/1

YOU CAN EMAIL YOUR SUPPORT UNTIL 24 MAY, SEE : http://brinnonprosperity.org/dose_appeal.html