Thrill

Hawkes Harbor S.E. Hinton

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We’re sorta like 7-Eleven, we may not always be doing business but we’re always open.

Nine time out of ten, it's an electric razor. But, every once in a while ... (whispers) ...it's a dildo. It's airline policy not to imply ownership in the event of a dildo. We use the indefinite aricle: "A dildo." Never "Your dildo."

that was way more then 2 cents worth dude. I think you should tell us how you REALLY feel.

damn Iain! I hear ya.. but I had to open up my X business again, and I'm still broke! LOL

it's true.. a "call me or email me" about the issue is like when you ask for a quote an a car and the salesman wants you to come down to his office to best discuss it.. most people dont play that game homie. a web forum makes people brave. they chat with other climbers and vent the issues. if Gary reads it and takes it to mind great. I'm not afraid since I already have spoken face to face with Gary and have over heard others talking to Matt about the same issues. the prices are rediculous. the airconditioning was never used. yearly member should get more bang for the buck.. like free yoga for gods sake. a six month pass should be available. reserving an entire wall is outrageous since we all pay for the gym we should be able to use any portion of it. at the prices charged the ropes should not be in THAT bad of shape as they are. hours are stupid.. weekends should be longer not shorter.

As stated earlier Gary has been approached but sometimes it takes a while to actually see the magnitude of the issue. Sometimes people are thinking to themselves that things are lame and the read posts like this and get to chime in. the more people that do that the more of a big deal it may become to Gary. At first he may just thought that it was just a few punks and no big deal. Winter… my only suggestion is that if you really hate hearing people bitch about PRG …. Then don’t click on a thread titled “what’s up with PRG?” unless of course you enjoy the torture.

put your AT boots on and hike Dog Mt. Mt Hamilton or Mt Definance in the gorge

B-rock there is a Bally's in vancouver that used to be another name... Anyhow it has the full on weights, yoga classes, treadmills, bikes, swimming pools, hot tubs, showers, lockers, saunas, rock wall, etc… and it was only $45 a month. Having pools and stuff creates a big overhead.. having an oversized woody does not. Gary even advertise air-conditioning and air vents to keep the chalk dust down…. yet all summer didn’t you notice the sliding door up and yet it was still hot and humid? I know it is the same rant over and over.. and it may not seem like things will change.. but things will. More people will drop out etc.. the gumbies that bought year memberships and never came back will expire and soon Gary will be forced to take notice where his customers have gone. Positive change is much slower then negative. Also the co-op thing is happening it’s just not advertised.

thanks Bill, It’s funny how outside of context people are so different. I actually do talk to Gary but he’s pretty bull headed when it comes to how he’s gonna run his business. I have talked to him and so have several others and really why should he change.. his system is working and he’s making money. All that is understandable. I can tell that when not in business mode Gary is probably a really good person. But sooner or later people get sick of being screwed over and will move on .. that is the pattern I see now. and the origin of this post. So no, “put up or shut up” is not the way to go here. The post was started asking what is up with PRG. So that is exactly what we are talking about. And we have every right to bitch about it. improvement doesn’t come from everyone being nice, nice. So anyhow Gary is loosing some long time customers, he’ll gain new ones, and then maybe he’ll lose them too. the fact remains that people have problems with the new PRG. I’ve seen people bitch about local gear shops here only to have an owner or employee see how many people were saying negative things… and then change them. so maybe Gary will get word. Maybe not, who knows? But if you don’t like something…. don’t ever put up or shut up… voice it.

Camilo when you say it is rarely crowded makes me think you have never been to PRG have you? PRG prices are no where near market.. that is the very reason people are dropping as fast as the noobs are signing up

Can't speak to the rest of your post Thrill - but Gary is a great guy. He brought the 2nd rock gym ever done in the country to Portland Oregon, with risk to himself both financially and professionally. Gary Rall is an AWESOME person. END OF F*EN STORY -PERIOD . if you know him on a personal level that is fine and you may be freinds with him for all I know. no disrepect to you, butGary is not a swell guy when it comes to PRG and business in general. For example. He did build this gym and it wasn’t a risk to him.. I’ve been there a while and can remember when he told everyone he was raising prices at the old gym so he wouldn’t have to risk anything and so he wouldn’t have to raise prices at the new gym.. so the new gym opens at $68 a month. Ridiculous! And it’s just and oversized woody! But I had my group of friends and a yearly contract so I stayed. Then he does nothing for the people that have been there all along no promotions, nothing.. just rape and pillage. The is absolutely no way to justify the prices he charges. Bally’s has overhead. They have hot tubs and swimming pools and don’t even cost that much! And on a personal note. A friend of mine used to climb.. he wanted to get a membership for a year to make it more economical but since he was in the Marines he knew he would be sent to war at any moment. He personally asked Gary if he would give him a break and let him break the yearly if that happened.. Gary told him since he wasn’t moving away and that he would be back.. he couldn’t break it. this guy was going to fawking WAR hello! So it is my own opinion ( a few share it) that Gary is an ass. Period sorry I dont agree with ya Bill

sorry dude, Gary ( the owner) is lame.. most people really dislike him and how he runs things. so, people have been dropping out like flies.. and thus leaving you with the gumbies. even the good employees have left.. so the quality of that gym is shot to hell really. winter is coming so soon better route setters and over all climbers might be back in.

pendleton wool for that matter

Anyone got any cool pics of the St Helens glow?

Arc'teryx are really expensive.. find something on sale..

Prana tops are so poorly made, just pull on em and they'll rip right off

check out The Green Room in NW portland or The GoodFoot in SE or the Bitter End on Burnside

thanks Bob.. that is interesting and funny too.

LOL ... you guys are great. keep it up. (come on.. you have at least wanted to bonk someone with your #11 hex, right?)

I think they did but since it’s hypothetical it’s really hard to know.

DKemp.. you got me there. Sky.. LOL that was good.

John, don’t assume you know my pace. out of the 7 parties passed on the nose there just might have been another party that was trying to beat their best time. since Hans is better they let him pass.. but because of that decision he fawked up their chances at making good time. there comes a point when EVEYONE is training. If it is a noobe training to not be a noobe anymore, or Bob training for the Alps, EVERYONE is training.. and EVERYONE has a right. You may believe you have the right to pass.. but you may also come up on someone that doesn’t believe you have the right. You’ll have to make a decision then. just like Grandpa on HWY 101 as long as he has a license and insurance he has the right to be there and if that yellow line is solid I have to follow at his pace.. period. If I break the law and get into road rage.. then that is my own fault. People need to take responsibility for their own actions. If you make a decision to pass me without asking or ignore if I said no, then you must live with my reaction. Regardless if you have alpine experience, have climbed the nose 5 times in a day, or wiped your ass on the Alps.

This is where it is ok to disagree. There are too many things to take into consideration… Who is climbing, what they want out of this climb, etc. are they having a good day or a bad day, is it Bob up there? All sorts of things to consider. .. My point is when coming up on someone if you use the better then thou attitude and think you are just going to pass…. I have my heavy #11 on a sling… but if you are nice like the guy that made the first post and I still get pissed at you.. then you have a right to apologize and make me feel like crap. For me nothing is worse then when I act like an asshole and the other party makes me look in the mirror.. We can go on all day about what people SHOULD do, yet people are very different… so I believe the only thing you should ever expect is to be courteous and hope you are treated the same way.