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says the "coward" who systematically resorts to ad-hom because his arguments suck

you two make quite a pair,. Are you married yet?

too bad you erased that post rob. We could have discussed how nationalism makes some people claim that respect for the rule of law and justice amounts to support for terror. Shame on you! You are turning out to be some piece of work (like a few others around here)

as if your meaningless quips hid the vacuousness of your "argument".

Pretty odd line of argumentation since the results of the investigation led by the FBI isn't affected by the declarations of other gov agencies, which under Bush were almost universally considered to over-reach for political motives.

No, people using goon tactics like repeated ad-hom without ever providing any argument is deplorable. I do suspect that much of the refusal to remain skeptical is fueled by nationalism. OBL was a violent extremist who once did our bidding in Afghanistan, like Saddam hussein did in Iraq btw. Many serious analysts consider that our involvements in Iraq and Afghanistan are motivated by resource control.

Did General Caldwell Point his Psy-Ops Team at POTUS? Behind the Pentagon’s Propaganda Plan Another Runaway General: Army Deploys Psy-Ops on U.S. Senators The Return of PSYOPS Iraq and the Media

Is it really necessary to point out that nobody claimed that everything was a conspiracy? or is this strawman going to make the round for another page or two?

they also say: "once a tool, always a tool". I don't now if it's related to the hammer and nail story but I can't assess the relationship of either to the matter at hand.

it's of course the readers job to figure out what conspiracy if any Jim wants you to believe Chomsky is advocating. The level of intervention by nationalists throughout this thread has been deplorable.

proof-positive he is as much of a kook as you and buckaroo! While I appreciate Chomsky's often biting and well researched books, this off-hand commentary is hard to take seriously. Really, there isn't always a conspiracy. Holy shite, Holy shite. Glad the internet is now providing the unvarnished truth. Hell in a hand basket. Jim loves to regurgitate the mud flung by the service goon. Someday, I'll take the gloves off too.

Jingoism IS the fog of war.

Whenever any of you jokers feel like showing how Obama hasn't continued the policies of empire building, let us know.

here comes the mud-slinging goon

No, the previous 50+ years have left the empire's cred in taters. Try to follow the argument once in a while.

Noam Chomsky: My reaction to OBL's death

the as-anti-war-as-it-gets manages to ignore 50+ years of imperial deception of the public and glorifies state sanctioned murder

There are many more mountains and settings up North than here but I wouldn't say they are better places to "learn the craft". In fact, I'd think the Cascades is one of the better learning mountain range because it is quite forgiving to beginners (all relative of course): the rock is not among the best but it is on average much better than in the Rockies, and the interior ranges of BC (Bugs and a few other areas excepted), Cascade weather is somewhat less predictable than further inland but temps are less extreme due to moderate elevations and lesser continentality, maritime snow packs are more reliable (obviously similar in Coastal BC), more?

Again, I am not sure how you'd manage to address the empire without specifically pointing out the lack of credibility of its PR campaigns, as is invariably done each time one discusses the more substantial issues you mention. So far, I haven't noticed too many people doing what you say, even though today as always that is bound to be part of the popular response. But I don't believe it is a good enough reason to ignore peremptory validation of any part of the official narrative about the War OF Terror.

"Renewable energy could account for almost 80% of the world's energy supply within four decades - but only if governments pursue the policies needed to promote green power, according to a landmark report published on Monday. [..] Investing in renewables to the extent needed would cost only about 1% of global GDP annually, said Rajendra Pachauri, chairman of the IPCC. [...] Ramon Pichs, co-chair of one of the key IPCC working groups, said: "The report shows that it is not the availability of [renewable] resources but the public policies that will either expand or constrain renewable energy development over the coming decades. Developing countries have an important stake in the future – this is where most of the 1.4 billion people without access to electricity live yet also where some of the best conditions exist for renewable energy deployment." No more excuses

You are throwing out the baby with the bath water. Seemingly poorly conceived PR coups are successful with the majority of the public even after they have been debunked almost immediately. This points to the lack of a progressive mass media to counter a relatively constant stream of misinformation but it doesn’t mean we should not attempt to debunk these events when the PR appears quite outlandish as I maintain was/is the case for this major PR event. PR is likely also often used to misdirect away from burning issues but showing and stating the emperor has no clothes is also an integral part of addressing these burning issues. We can’t afford to not show skepticism about ALL causes of jingoism (as demonstrated in this very thread by the sheeple's reactions), especially early in a developing story. I agree that people spending all their energy on trying to debunk oldish PR events is ultimately counterproductive, especially when they overreach, but their basic questions may still be valid. Right, wealthier socio-economic groups have more time on their hands to engage in intellectual pursuits but just try to pretend that state PR should be taken at face value (like many do here) among many minority groups (likely less so today among blacks because of Obama) and you’ll be laughed off. I doubt any amount of castigating skeptics as “conspiracy theorists” would gain much traction.

Is your line through the icefall visible or is it off the right side of the pic?

yet, the dominant message communicated by the corporate media last week was that torture helped to catch OBL (even though it is apparently the opposite) but then, you'll claim disinformation isn't an issue.

I am not sure how many non-white people you know but blind trust in the gov/Pentagon isn't exactly what I think of when I think minority. Accepting the official version despite the obvious red-herrings within mere days of a public announcement like last weekend's is plain bullshit IMO. First, the story is so weird and was evolving so fast at the beginning of the week that there was no telling which way it would go. Second, instead of pointing the finger at skeptics (justifiably skeptical considering our recent and past history), you should validate reasonable skepticism, which isn't in any way mutually exclusive with addressing oppression.

right, Bush didn't eventually get ~90% approval rating to attack Iraq based on a tissue of lies. OBL and AQ weren't manipulatively used to strengthen the security state. You have the selective memory of a homer; you wouldn't have reacted this way if this had happened >6 years into the Bush presidency. silly pop-psychology are you claiming the American public has not been the object of spy-ops by its own military/government? Pathetic!