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the orwellian world of peter puget

so slimy it is not worthy of an answer. instead ponder the following: Book Rankings #1 on the New York Times Bestseller List for the Second Week in a Row! - November 2, 2003 #1 Barnes & Noble College Bestseller List #1 San Francisco Chronicle Bestseller List #2 Publishers Weekly Bestseller List - October 27, 2003 #2 Wall Street Journal Bestseller List - October 24, 2003 #5 USA Today Bestseller List - October 23, 2003 what the critics have to say... "Michael Moore is a comic genius!" -TIME OUT "Michael Moore is everything the contemporary politician isn't. He is smart, brash, profane, hilarious, beholden to no one, and genuine in his devotion to the country." -THE DENVER POST "Decades from now, historians will look back and say Michael Moore captured the zeitgeist." -SAN FRANCISCO CHRONICLE "For more than a dozen years Michael Moore has served as the nation's unofficial muckraker laureate, exposing and lampooning the greed, arrogance, and corruption of corporate america and the folly and hypocrisy ofbeltway politics." -U.S. CATHOLIC "Michael Moore has actually drawn blood. That's a shock to the conservative system. He may be just the lethal heat-seeking weapon [that liberals] have been looking for. [He] is more funny than angry, more everyman than show-biz. He may be more of a factor in the next election cycle than all the other, more glamorous oscar attendees now lining up at fund-raisers for Howard Dean." -FRANK RICH, THE NEW YORK TIMES

which facts? i thought that we had established your opinion was not suppported by facts ... what a travesty of justice.

hey, be my guest. let us know where you stand. well, now that we are certain it is an unsubstantiated opinion, we are fine. did the bank issue a rebuttal by any chance? i am desperately trying to help you out here since you claimed to know of discrepancies in bfc. how should i characterize your comments about agitators, bullshit, not being able to manage 3rd shift at dairy queen, etc ... when you discuss a best selling author ( http://bestsellerlist.com/ ; http://www.nytimes.com/pages/books/bestseller/), award-winning film director without offering any more evidence than your probably grossly biased opinion? you reaction seems so self-righteous that perhaps next time i should say that it is does not even amount to what i drop in the toilet bowl every morning. would you like that better?

perhaps you could explain the difference between losing a contest and being declared a winner? disappointing. you have accustomed us to better discussion of the issues and now you attack the messenger. as you know, you won't be alone around here

gore did not lose the contest. he won by over 500,000 votes. at ~60% people support gun control laws http://pollingreport.com/guns.htm

this coming from an extremist who advocates "offing moore". you, indeed, are a comic. i only dream it was purposeful.

okay, if you want to play that game, one that I remember was the bit about him walking into the bank and getting a free gun. The interviewer asked him if he did not in fact have that event pre-staged. He refused to answer directly, instead ranting about "TV lies," and using Clintonesque dodges to imply that it wasn't pre-arranged. But it was pretty clear that Moore's stunt WAS pre-arranged, and that the average Joe could NOT have walked into the bank and walked out same visit with a free gun. what game? asking you to back up what you say? how uncough of me ... if you gun nuts took the time to read you would not end looking as silly as you often do. note: i already posted the link, which apparently you ignored, at least i hope this is what you did and not try to be deceitful. http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/wackoattacko/ except: "The Truth: In the spring of 2001, I saw a real ad in a real newspaper in Michigan announcing a real promotion (link) that this real bank had where they would give you a gun (as your up-front interest) for opening up a Certificate of Deposit account. They promoted this in publications all over the country (link) – "More Bang for Your Buck!" There was news coverage of this bank giving away guns, long before I even shot the scene there. The Chicago Sun Times wrote (link) about how the bank would "hand you a gun" with the purchase of a CD. Those are the precise words used by a bank employee (link) in the film. When you see me going in to the bank and walking out with my new gun in "Bowling for Columbine" – that is exactly as it happened. Nothing was done out of the ordinary other than to phone ahead and ask permission to let me bring a camera in to film me opening up my account. I walked into that bank in northern Michigan for the first time ever on that day in June 2001, and, with cameras rolling, gave the bank teller $1,000 – and opened up a 20-year CD account. After you see me filling out the required federal forms ("How do you spell Caucasian?") – which I am filling out here for the first time – the bank manager faxed it to the bank's main office for them to do the background check. The bank is a licensed federal arms dealer and thus can have guns on the premises and do the instant background checks (the ATF's Federal Firearms database—which includes all federally approved gun dealers—lists North Country Bank with Federal Firearms License #4-38-153-01-5C-39922). Within 10 minutes, the "OK" came through from the firearms background check agency and, 5 minutes later, just as you see it in the film, they handed me a Weatherby Mark V Magnum rifle (If you'd like to see the outtakes, click here). " go to the page to enjoy the supporting links can you support your villainous spew? next discrepancy? (or perhaps you should visit mike's page instead)

and today's PI: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/145809_nethercutted.html Wednesday, October 29, 2003 Slice the words, story's the same SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER EDITORIAL BOARD Consider Rep. George Nethercutt's media condemnation over six words. He wants to be quoted in full, instead of a reporter's paraphrase that said: "He added that he did not want any more soldiers to be killed." Let's concede that Nethercutt believes the death of U.S. soldiers is, heaven forbid, awful. But that does not change the notion that Nethercutt wants the news media to concentrate on painting Iraq in wonderful pastels. We're making progress, don't you know? (Please ignore today's headlines.) Sorry, George. You want it both ways. You want citizens to know that you care about their sons and daughters who are overseas in harm's way -- but the story you want told is not about the dangers and chaos troops face. No. You want the news to report the steady progress in Iraq as reported by the Bush administration. Consider, again, the quote in question -- fleshed out a bit more. "The story of what we have done in the postwar period ... is remarkable," Nethercutt said, because the coalition has been rebuilding power plants, police stations, schools and other infrastructure, as well as taking early steps toward self-governance. "So the story is better than we might be led to believe in the news. I'm indicting the news people. It's a bigger and better and more important story than losing a couple of soldiers every day, which, which, heaven forbid, is awful." A bigger and better story? Thank you, George, for clarifying your callow, shallow position.

it seems you'd have less chance to not notice them when the equation changes because evolving conditions usually force you, if you are at all aware, to reassess your commitment level. however dane's point is still well taken in the sense that we tend to make dubious decisions a fair amount more often than we pay the consequences for bad judgement. it seems that being aware of those moments we got away with something when nothing changed is the real challenge. but perhaps this is not the discussion you want to have.

if you did not think there was something wrong with it, why would you even mention it. at least, be consistent.

You could learn a lot from Task,...pissant if you think that 99% of those who read trask's drivel do not take it in the first degree, you are deluding yourself.

ha! yes, i forgot, trask is such a funny guy

hey sicko, you think you can make idle threats on the net without consequences? you better hope that nothing happens to him.

is this what you consider an in-depth analysis based on issues? how come you did not quote the first answer?

is there any independent proof of what he said?

which discrepancies? specifically.

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/wackoattacko/

article: toxic shocker

just for the record, i am a scientist by training and profession and i have never considered any of the above. although you may not want to acknowledge it, your lifestyle is entirely conditioned by the advances that were made during that period, including your right to spew on this board in the fashion that you do how interesting that you feel this way when the relevant studies are not being done due to a lack of political will as you ought to know, funding depends on policy. perhaps you'll remember that ddt, chlordane, dursban and others were declared safe by the governement right up to the moment they were banned by the epa how confident of you to think that your knowledge is sufficient to assess the long term effect of pesticides on your body and more importantly on that of children when many researchers think that the potential for toxicity is great as said by the national academy of science: "tolerance concentrations are based primarily on the field trials conducted by pesticide manufacturers and are designed to reflect the highest residue concentrations under normal circumstances of agricultural use. their principal purpose is to ensure compliance with good agricultural practice. tolerances are not based primarily on health considerations" http://books.nap.edu/books/0309048753/html/2.html#pagetop i believe this says it all. in other words only obvious toxicity is addressed and no study of low dose ingestion has been conducted, and manufacturers can claim that no harm at low dose has been demonstrated. i am not a chemist

and you are a science student?

the difference between us is that what i say is based on what you say not some ludicrous caricature and cliches that have no relation to reality. have i ever attempted to portray you as an egotistical money-grabber or some such? so why do you continually fling this hippy shit toward me when you have no idea what kind of person i am? i am not a hippy, nor have ever sung kumbayah, etc ..(even though hippies don't bother me) evidence? substantiation? i did not think so. you do what you feel you have to do and i'll take care of myself. in turn you'll have to assume how your posts reflect upon you 1) if you don't try to eat as much organic stuff as possible these days (or as you can afford), you are at the minimum ill-informed 2) the 'hippies are stupid' thing is getting really old but i suspect you have to appeal to your audience by any means you feel appropriate (it's also called demagoguery). seeing the type of people who shop at organic markets, i can assure you there aren't too many hippies there but mostly average americans.

at this point, transfer authority to the international community so that we are not targets anymore. participate to reconstruction without favoring our economic interests along side everybody else. short of doing this, the situation will get worse as more and more iraqis resent us. there are plenty of examples throughout history.

soloing is a perfectly acceptable mode of climbing (not for the general public and this is reinforced but media approach to the problem). among climbers criticism arise if the soloist attempted something beyond his/her abilities but that is no different than analysing an accident due to human error. the later approach is valid because it allows us to identify unwanted behavior and reduce risk.

where did i say i was member of a youth movement? great grand parent? i don't think so. not even a grand parent, for my kids won't have children before they are capable of assuming them. they were raised responsibly and use contraception. you really have no clue. you seem very spiteful and ossified before your time. your put down of elderlies is pathetic.