RuMR

are you playin' devil's advocate here!!!!!!!! This is a quote from you a little while ago... "i had never thought abuot it before, but i climb about the same cracks and sport...i just thought i was an anomaly...i dont climb that hard (10) but i have noticed that people see mee leading 10's on trad and say het justmp on this 11 sport piece and i just flail... i had never thought that they might be even, but it makes sense what you are saying... "

Fine...suit yourself...its all good...your cheating yourself out of some really fun stuff...

but that isn't true...i climb 95% trad... but i can rip on sport climbs (compared to trad) it is a full letter grade difference and i never even climb in the gym or on outdoor sport routes...so i disagree...mabe i am just weird like that... maybe you have some great natural abilities, like really strong fingers and good balance? So face will feel easier? Good for you!

I don't differ on the matter...if the route i'm doing has OW on it, then i'll climb the OW...I'm not sure where you are getting the idea i don't crack climb??? Can you point to where i said "dated"...i said esoteric...different word, as in "not common"...

Listen...i'm not trying to fight w/ you...i don't understand the rag on sport climbing...its where you put your energy is where you'll shine...if you put it into bouldering, that is where you'll perform best...if you put it into overhangs, fine there as well...if you put it into cracks, you'll dominate in that arena...if you have enuff time you can put it into all facets and become a superb all arounder...some people could care less about sport climbing (maybe you?) some people could care less about crack climbing (maybe DFA) and of course their ability won't be as good in the arena they aren't focusing on...that is a no-brainer... There are people that can just rip V10 boulder moves, that most people can't even hang on the holds, but then they'll tank at 15 feet of climbing...Are they piss poor climbers? NO...they just aren't into long enduro routes... I didn't base my arguments in a rare form of trad climbing...quite the contrary... And to me, 5.10 cracks feel like 5.10 face or 5.10 overhangs or 5.10 slabs...ie, they feel like 5.10. You get in a 5.10 hand crack and you can't fall on the damn thing...what exactly is your point?

if you are such a tough guy...have you led it? dont shott your mouth off and talk shit about climbs that you can't/wont do because of fear and lack of strength/technique ummm never said i wouldn't climb offwidths, but seeing as i'm not in colorado, don't think i'll get the chance for that particular route... I'll get on my fair share of ow this week in yosemite... Why the hostility? Did i insult you???

Yep...total freaking pansy...

if you are such a tough guy...have you led it? dont shott your mouth off and talk shit about climbs that you can't/wont do because of fear and lack of strength/technique Hangdogging "a" (as in "one") 5.12 is not climbing 5.12 is it? You flashing them? If not, you are a redpoint climber not a true 5.12 climber...do you consider yourself a 5.12 face climber?????? Is that what you are saying??? THe other point to make, is that there just aren't a whole lotta of OW's out there to go climb...so in general, most people don't get much of a chance to learn them...they are esoteric...

Woooohboy...it might be off a whole number grade and be 5.10c!! Whhooooooscaredshitless... sheesh... actually, current consensus has that thing at mid .11 range...so all this ballyhoo about it being "5.9" is BS anyway...

hahahaha!! But that would be impossible whether you were over a nut, cam, 1/2" bolt right??? PFFFFT

This has got to be the dumbest thread. If you are a good climber you are a good climber. And it goes w/o saying that what you concentrate on is what you'll do best at... SHEESH

.13c maybe, but .13b? not a chance in hell... the thing is rated .13c...so why compare apples and oranges? Duh...

as am i...a double for you...

I guarantee you that if some consistent .13c climber decided to work that thing it would go down pretty quick. Problem is, there's not a whole lot of .13c climbers around here and the ones that are here aren't a whole lot interested in local climbing...

Ummm...alan watts came damn near to flashing that thing placing his gear...Some refer to him as the "father of sport climbing"...

uhmmm...not sure what your gettin' at...at best you've shifted the grade by one...so what, that's insignificant... I can show you some bolted face 5.9's and .10's back at stone mountain that are as "stiff" as crack of fear if you are a 9 or 10 climber...

Goddamn dude! I'm gonna kick your ass! Are you married to my wife too!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHA

I can't think of a better way to phrase the way i feel than how tex did!

Hi bob! Got my cup on!!!!!!!!! hhahahaha...you crack me up!!!!!

HAHAHAHA

I'm a nervous wreck so i bite my fingernailz... Yes...superglue for cuticle repair is kosher... See This It was developed for vietnam war field sutures...

yes...it worx really well, but its slick, so you have to emory board off the stuff outside the flap or split...i only use it on trips where i don't have time to say "f it, i'll come back later"... BTW it was developed to replace field sutures and there is medical grade stuff for surgery... As an aside, some local smith guns in the late 80's would use formaldehyde to develop sick callouses...

cool...i'm gone next week to yosemite, but i'll be back on the 29th...let's get out some then!!!!

i can usually get to si by 3:30 or so...index by 4:15...does this work?

Being a shortshit, I have one draw that i wound about a whole roll of tape around to stiffen it enough so I could reach a bolt from the same stance as everyone else...then i clipped a loose sling on it w/ a biner on the other end so I don't risk "binding" or twisting the setup against the bolt hanger...I started this by climbing routes bolted by that 6'-5" giant doug reed at the new river gorge...