RuMR

Unless you can get a government job? In which case you can spend all day spraying.... you a government serf, paul?

SIgns of the coming winter? Oh, i don't know...i start walking around muttering incessantly "skiing f-ing sux"..."i'm moving to Arizona"..."goddam f-ing rain"..."skiing really f-ing sux"

I'm only basing it on my observations of how well completely rank beginners do in the gym and at si/38 then watching how people with the same lack of ability fare at other areas...i think that is the closest you can get to being objective, isn't it?

still disagree...i think compared to smith or rifle or nrg si is grossly overated in general in the lower ratings... an example...I can take a completely novice climber (as in never climbed before) to si and have them go up mid 10's there...you then take a completely novice climber to smith and put them on something mid range like bbq or wedding day or gumby etc. and they will have a much tougher time... the ratings start converging as you hit upper 11's and seem to be on by the 12+ mark.... i threw reed's into the discussion because of your description of enduro climbing...that is the philosopy of rating in the valley...it does not matter if you have one 5.10 move or all 5.10 moves, its only 5.10...

nobody is saying what you are saying... i'm saying that 5.10 at si and 38 is SOFT compared to just about everywhere else Take your philosophy of "enduro" climbing down to say sumpin' like Reed's Direct and then tell me about how si or 38 feels on in the lower grades

ahh not quite sure if its overrated that bad...

raise ya w/ a vedawuo, a gunks, cathedral, seneca and stone mountain w/ an ace of moore's wall and sauertown.... bring it bitch...

ahhh...winter sucks arse...

I'll see your red rocks and raise you by (1) index paired w/ a yosemite and a rifle...

doesn't count...

come on matt, i only pulled stuff down by a LETTER grade, not a number grade...big difference...

yell bitch at him for me!

hmmm...i'd say that they are waaaaaaaaaay off (official ratings, not mine)...compare them to just about anyplace and discuss...

I say...sharpest spoon in the drawer! hahahaha tryin' to spice up a boring thread... and seriously...those ratings aren't too outta whack, are they??

hmmm...ever see that andrew dice clay skit? bad visual

oh...you mean the 5.8/9's???

yah.....skiin's stoopud... :thumbsup:

you mean 5.8's and up

dry or dryish routes rainy day 11d juggernaut 10a reptiles 7/8 chronic 13a californicator 13a aborigine 11a techno 12b slaborigine left start 10b lower part o' psycho 11b full psycho 12c propaganda 12c bust a move 12a hadley roof 13a bad boy? 11c

how hard can you handle? Answer depends on this...

hey...it's pretty impressive considering how much he doesn't like to boulder

whip or wipe?? hahahaha bob is proof positive that you don't need massive amounts of physical strength to climb ok...

yup...hence my comment "toprope everything that is offered to you".... :thumbsup: