RuMR

no tool...i'm not the one in my car by the river, or whatever...

nope...home body...i'm typing this from my mommy's and daddy's basement...

they should be under a bridge too...

ummm... he asked an open forum...what would you expect but someone's opinion? nobody bashed him...well, maybe blowboarder, but that's his style...

no the reason you want it is the same...

Hopefully they'll get hit by a car...problem solved...

Hemorrhoids are pretty Hard to Kill, huh? Puffy, red, and irritating , looks like you have a problem as well. JUST LIKE KEV's AVATAR PIC!

man, kevbone, you make a dead houseplant seem smart...

Thanks for pointing out how selfish you are! NEVER CLAIMED OTHERWISE...AT LEAST I'M HONEST Thanks for making me laugh! That is hilarious. YES, I HAVE A STUNNING SENSE OF HUMOR No I don’t want that. Where do you get that idea? I was talking about one specific climb. I GET THIS IDEA BECAUSE OF YOUR POSTING...WHY STOP AT JUST THIS ONE ROUTE...OBVIOUSLY YOU COULD APPLY YOUR LOGIC TO ALL ROUTES, RIGHT? Thanks for telling us what the FFA was thinking. You know him and you where there. Right? Or maybe they did what they did because they are idiots and did not know what they were doing. I DIDN'T SAY THAT I KNEW WHAT HE WAS THINKING...LOOK UP THE WORD "PERHAPS", PLEASE... More good humor. Read the very first line in my original post. I DID READ THE FIRST LINE OF YOUR POST...SO YOU MIGHT NOT DO IT, BUT YOU ARE THINKING ABOUT IT ENOUGH TO POST...

you're so core, man...

no...the routes that i've done or participated in putting up i protected for myself within the rating of the route. I don't owe anything to anyone beyond myself and my party...if you don't like it, go find something else...likewise, i don't fuck with another person's route... The first real flaw in your reasoning is you are equipping routes based on what YOU think is NECESSARY for EVERYONE to be able to climb the route. This is very grey...perhaps you should consult the ADA Handbook and equip your routes for disabled folks...also, put tactile strips in, so that blind folks don't get cut out of the equation, etc. etc. etc. The second flaw in your reasoning is if its followed to its logical conclusion every route everywhere will be sanitized and safe...do you really want this?? Part of the beauty of climbing, for me, is i can go out (on some days, and they are getting further and further apart now) and scare myself silly and pull something off and feel great about it...other days, i might just TR something...you are removing this from the equation unilaterally... Perhaps the intent of the FA was to actually put some spice into an otherwise bland jug haul???? I think you should go retro bolt the bachar yerian now...i feel that i might get injured if i try it, and i've climbe a lot of 5.11's so i should be able to try that one...[dripping sarcasm]...

responsibly? what happened to a climber taking responsibility for himself?? Now the fa is responsible for all dumbasses who potentially may climb it in the future?? poor reasoning...

don't think blowboarder would have to much trouble with it... and if he did, he'd downclimb and come back some other day rather than whining about it...

index... great route...with bolts or without...personally, the "spicy" version is better...

If it was over hanging I would agree. The end is about 20-25 foot of slap over an overhang. The last bolt is about 15-20 feet from the anchor and its probably a 10.a finish 10 feet above the last bolt. Ru....its a little sketchy. But doable. It has been climbed this way for years. That doesnt mean it is safe. I freak out everytime I do it. On the other hand the route is rated 11.c. and the hardest moves are lower, so one could say if you can climb 11.c you should be able to pull the 10.a runout at the end. I my opinion there is no gear on the route at the end. Why is there no bolt there? "a .10a runout on an .11c route" that is the answer to why there is no bolt... plus, why does every stinkin' route need to be sanitized??? get your shit together, and fire the thing or come back another day...plus, you can down climb or get a tr from someone... In general I agree with you R but it is the ultimate sign of being a wanker if you construct a sketchy runouts after any preinspection. At one time a friend and I decided that we'd clean each others projects so that we wouldn't have all that preinspection knowledge. As it turns out half the fun of doing new routes around here is cleaning them so that was short lived. This is fair...

no kevin, i disagree...unprotected 10- climbing on a midgrade 11 route should be considered "protected" based on the expected ability of the climber...ie. a mid 5.11 climber should be able to handle an easy 5.10 section... now, if this route was 5.10a then you'd have a point... Falling in the wrong place? Big deal...this is climbing, its dangerous, if you don't wanna accept some risk, pick a kev bolted route or take up golf...

If it was over hanging I would agree. The end is about 20-25 foot of slap over an overhang. The last bolt is about 15-20 feet from the anchor and its probably a 10.a finish 10 feet above the last bolt. Ru....its a little sketchy. But doable. It has been climbed this way for years. That doesnt mean it is safe. I freak out everytime I do it. On the other hand the route is rated 11.c. and the hardest moves are lower, so one could say if you can climb 11.c you should be able to pull the 10.a runout at the end. I my opinion there is no gear on the route at the end. Why is there no bolt there? "a .10a runout on an .11c route" that is the answer to why there is no bolt... plus, why does every stinkin' route need to be sanitized??? get your shit together, and fire the thing or come back another day...plus, you can down climb or get a tr from someone...

don't know the route but a 20-25 footer at the top of most routes doesn't seem to be that big...

oh...my bad, he didn't pose for photos or film, did he??

these guys are so freakin' low to each other...

The only slight blip was the last time you got an erection! You know back in the 70's I'll take my "slight blip" beneath my flat abs, er landscape, anytime over your "valley" beneath your mountainous gut, boy, er girl!

yeah...i can just hear him right now trying to soooooound out those words!! they's kinda big, you know...

whoah...a slight blip on an otherwise flat landscape...

kevboned == flatliner