Marble Canyon Conditions

[Dumpster_Diver]

Best thing to do is pass the word along to the bad doers , having them remove the diversions and keep climbers reputation good people under their book.

 

Besides it will make the other climbs way fatter hopefully.

 

Burning bridges is not a good idea for future access issues and other reasons.

 

I bet the guys that diverted the water had only good intentions in the first place.

 

Also I see no need to bring these bad people's names or intentions public.

[Dru]

 

Also I see no need to bring these bad people's names or intentions public.

 

Cause we all know it was certain Squamish based guides looking to expand teachable terrain & have a wider range of difficulty for their clients. Naughty naughty guides! Wrist slap time!

[Dumpster_Diver]

That might pose some different controversial discussion

 

Either way my thoughts are to pass it on, remove the diversions and let it be if we can.

[Lambone]

The diversions probably couldn't come out until the spring.

 

And even if they are removed, someone will probably just put them back next year...

[Dumpster_Diver]

Lambone I don't know why you say that. I spoke with Bernard just briefly and he was intent to pass the info along. Apparently someone knows who did it.

 

Let's get something clear though. I never said it was good or something to condone in the future. If we can remove it and get it behind us then great. The comments about guide services diverting the ice are interesting and possibly false too. If in fact it turns out to be that some guides fucked it up for the rest of it then I am all for making this public information.

[Dru]

That was my 3rd hand information and I am surprised cause I thought they knew they would get their asses kicked if they did not OK it with Parks first so Im all for some wrist slapping.

[Lambone]

Lambone I don't know why you say that.

 

Well, I said two things. First, I think they would be difficult to remove now, based on what I saw last weekend. I may be wrong but it looked to me like the water was diverted by logs and boards sunk into the dirt, and are now frozen over with ice. But I could be wrong.

 

Second, I said that they would probably get put back again in the future. I have no idea who put them there, or why they did it (other than to make more climbs). But the same thing happened in Hyalite Canyon, every year they were removed, and the same dude went up and replaced them. He eventualy poured concrete to make them permenant.

 

I am not really for or against them either way. I think it is great to have more ice to climb, especialy in that popular area. And I don't think that Icy BC suffered too much, it is climbable. But...if the Govt is pissed than that is bad for ice climbers in general. Access needs to be preserved over all else.

[Dumpster_Diver]

Sorry I never clarified what I was really questioning.

 

Second, I said that they would probably get put back again in the future. I have no idea who put them there, or why they did it (other than to make more climbs). But the same thing happened in Hyalite Canyon, every year they were removed, and the same dude went up and replaced them. He eventualy poured concrete to make them permenant.

 

I never did see what was the diversion for the water. Sounds interesting to say the least.

 

After the confrontation to Bernard from the big watchdog who is just an innocent standerby for the most part, I can only say that I doubt it will occur next season unless it is approved beforehand.

 

My thoughts still stand that if it was some guide service that might screw up our access to good ice then we should make it known our thoughts.

 

I'm a member of the Climber's Access Society of British Columbia and have passed along my thoughts to the appropriate people.

[Lambone]

Yeah, I agree with you.

 

I am not exactly sure how the diversions were built. But from what I could tell, wood beams were placed diagonaly from the main flows. I only spent about a minute looking at it after stripping our top-rope anchors.