RaisedByPikas Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 So I have decided that I don't want to walk down snow covered mountains anymore and therefore need some AT skis. While researching the internets about buying used ski gear I come across the warnings about indemnified bindings but does this even apply to AT bindings? Basically am I wasting my money if I buy some Dynafits used? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
counterfeitfake Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 I think it doesn't apply to AT bindings, and it REALLY doesn't apply to Dynafits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denalidave Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 I'd stay away from older Fritschi bindings as they tend to release into "instant free-heel mode" while skiing in downhill mode. Not a good thing, especially with a pack on in bad snow conditions. I think the ones made after 2005ish (?? maybe earlier??) no longer have that issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Conway Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 Used AT bindings in good condition work fine - as evidenced by the tens of thousands of people skiing on used AT bindings. I'd stay away from older Fritschi bindings as they tend to release into "instant free-heel mode" while skiing in downhill mode. Not a good thing, especially with a pack on in bad snow conditions. I think the ones made after 2005ish (?? maybe earlier??) no longer have that issue. I'd suggest that this phenomena is mostly internet bullshit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra_Commander Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 I'd suggest that this phenomena is mostly internet bullshit. Concur. Never seen this happen on properly-adjusted freerides. I have seen broken toe pieces, and one unfortunate guy who had one of his NEW model freerides crack right off the ski while skinning, leaving him with a lot of walking. An acquaintance who writes for the skiing industry says he has seen that "often". First time I've seen it, and I've had no problems with the originals after many seasons of use. I haven't used them in awhile now though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denalidave Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 Used AT bindings in good condition work fine - as evidenced by the tens of thousands of people skiing on used AT bindings. I'd stay away from older Fritschi bindings as they tend to release into "instant free-heel mode" while skiing in downhill mode. Not a good thing, especially with a pack on in bad snow conditions. I think the ones made after 2005ish (?? maybe earlier??) no longer have that issue. I'd suggest that this phenomena is mostly internet bullshit. That must be why it kept happening to me, over and over again with my old Fritschis... Probably just a phantom of my imagination that my heels were unlocked spontaneously due to the excessive spray intake and my weak, impressionable mind soaking it all up... Seemed to mostly happen with a pack on more than without one on (heavier load on the bindings), but it did happen at the resort several times too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grinter Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 I bought used Fritschi freerides last season, got them mounted on a used set of skis with used skins and strapped it all onto my feet with a used pair of boots, and loved the setup. No weird spontaneous free-heel action for me. granted I wasn't ripping any sickly steep lines, although the gear did get me up and down the Muir Snowfield in March. Given the price of new AT gear I would go with used gear and spend some cash to get it all mounted and tuned by a professional ski shop. They should be able to tell if the gear is in working order or not. I would recommend Backpacker Supply as they did an excellent job for me, but alas they're no longer around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denalidave Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 Granted, the bindings I had issues with were very old, I think from the mid to late 90's. Fact is, those models are prone to release into free heel mode. Also, many ski techs/shops won't mount or work on the older ones for liability reasons. I have some newer ones (still pretty old but from this century) and they have not had the free heel release issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaisedByPikas Posted August 25, 2010 Author Share Posted August 25, 2010 (edited) Thanks for the replies. I'm pretty set on dynafits (and nothing that old) due to the weight issue (yes i care about 2lbs). I just want to make sure I understand this correctly... Ski shops will only work on indemnified alpine bindings for liability reasons but they will work on any AT binding? Edited August 25, 2010 by RaisedByPikas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
counterfeitfake Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 Why don't you call the shop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Conway Posted August 26, 2010 Share Posted August 26, 2010 That must be why it kept happening to me, over and over again with my old Fritschis... Probably just a phantom of my imagination that my heels were unlocked spontaneously due to the excessive spray intake and my weak, impressionable mind soaking it all up... Probably a shitty mount job If the heel lifter/lock wasn't positioned properly, and with heavy ski flex (soft skis, big pack), you could "instatele". Well adjusted, not so much of a problem ime. Ya, Fritschis broke. Dukes are heavy and break. Silvrettas self destruct. Dynafit pins break. Life's a bitch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted August 26, 2010 Share Posted August 26, 2010 Thanks for the replies. I'm pretty set on dynafits (and nothing that old) due to the weight issue (yes i care about 2lbs). I just want to make sure I understand this correctly... Ski shops will only work on indemnified alpine bindings for liability reasons but they will work on any AT binding? Negative ghost-rider. He said ski shops won't work on ancient bindings for liability reasons. If the binding looks old and decrepit and a tech knows it was not sold recently they won't touch it. If that has happened to anybody, take it as a hint to buy new gear, or be stubborn and just buy a better insurance policy. Snow's coming soon!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Conway Posted August 26, 2010 Share Posted August 26, 2010 Or learn how to mount your own gear because you're probably smarter and more diligent than the stoned 19 year old snowboarder working in the shop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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