kevin trieu Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 anybody use these and can offer an opinion? primary use would be for ice. how are they for short approaches? are they so rigid that even short approaches are painful? was going get a pair of G14's for this coming ice season but found a great deal on the BD '07 models. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrgo Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Pretty evident that these we're um... let's say inspired by the G14. Very similar design. I've used both and think that these perform as well as the G14. Two +'s for the Cyborgs are the rake points and cheap front points. Grivels run $40 for replacement front points, BD $10-15. These are both semi-rigid crampons so approaches are fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidk Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 they work great. The big secondary points work well for support on steep ice, but are noticeable on hard pack/icy approaches. Most crampons that are geared for low angle walking have a rocker design, so to speak, in the length of the forefoot points to facilitate easier walking. The Cyborgs don't, but that's because they are designed to be optimal on steep ice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 These work better than expected on moderate/flat terrain. I used them the entire way from I-Rock saddle to the top of the Reid headwall last week and had absolutely no problems with them, including for traversing/wallowing. And of course they are baller on the steep stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin trieu Posted December 9, 2009 Author Share Posted December 9, 2009 thanks guys. got myself a pair. can't wait to get some mean alpine action in Ouray... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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