Scoffster Posted October 9, 2007 Posted October 9, 2007 Though I'm a huge fan of Grivel products and greatly appreciate all they do for the community, what's up with their new tools? Specifically, I don't get the head configuration. If the pick goes on the Matrix (Light or Tech) or Quantum one will have to replace the entire hammer/pick configuration. Who wants to lug one of them up a long route? Bit Perplexed? Quote
thelawgoddess Posted October 9, 2007 Posted October 9, 2007 i'm actually a bit perplexed by your question. Quote
TrogdortheBurninator Posted October 9, 2007 Posted October 9, 2007 All the tools in their new line up have the monster style heads (i.e. integrated pick/head/hammer) This makes replacement picks heavier and more expensive. The upshot is that these picks (at least those on the x monster) are super burly. Quote
thelawgoddess Posted October 9, 2007 Posted October 9, 2007 and? personally i still don't see the issue. how many picks are you carrying? have you seriously ever had to replace a pick in the field ... ever? i guess it depends on what you're climbing and how, and maybe i just still don't truly understand his question. it's okay, though; i can deal. ;-) Quote
crmlla2007 Posted October 9, 2007 Posted October 9, 2007 Dunno - Mark Twight seemed to break one in every article Quote
DanielHarro Posted October 10, 2007 Posted October 10, 2007 picks can break much easier than you think in cold weather, zero and below... and whats up with the rubber scrunchy thing?? Quote
TrogdortheBurninator Posted October 10, 2007 Posted October 10, 2007 my guess is that there is some unaesthetic transition from the shaft to the sheet metal mounting area, so they just mask it with scrunchy thing. Quote
Gary_Yngve Posted October 10, 2007 Posted October 10, 2007 who changes a pick on-route? wouldn't you change a pick at the car or camp, and have a spare tool instead? also couldn't you just have the bad set of tools be w/ the follower and the leader use the good set? i suppose you could have picks on multiple tools break, but that seems unlikely. speaking of broken picks, i recall egratz finishing the lead of the last pitch of Nemesis with a broken pick.. Quote
thelawgoddess Posted October 10, 2007 Posted October 10, 2007 yeah - what gary said. and it is not a rubber scrunchy thing!!! it is my enigmatic essence. geez! Quote
TrogdortheBurninator Posted October 10, 2007 Posted October 10, 2007 speaking of broken picks, i recall egratz finishing the lead of the last pitch of Nemesis with a broken pick.. and whipping as a result! Quote
ken4ord Posted October 10, 2007 Posted October 10, 2007 who changes a pick on-route? I have. Though I probably could have continued climbing the route in the condition it was in. I noticed it after having a hard time getting it to stick. Wouldn't you change a pick at the car or camp, and have a spare tool instead? Why wait to change out your pick out if carry a pick and key in your pack? I have never wanted to lug a spare tool on a climb, it is much easier and lighter to have a spare pick. Quote
Scoffster Posted October 10, 2007 Author Posted October 10, 2007 (edited) I've broken pics and this can happen more than occasionally. Grivel's hold up pretty good but I've heard of BD's tips snapping more frequently. It seems more practical to carry only a spare pic up a long route or when you're in a remote setting for few days. As for the rubber scrunchy thing, compare the head size of just about any BD or P/CM tool to Grivel's. Their new design is much smaller (at least 1/2 the width of a Viper or Quark) and I'd imagine a bit more difficult to rest your palm upon while working your way up 800m of neve. Hence the rubber scrunchy provides an alternative grasping point. (Another strike against this particular design.) Edited October 10, 2007 by Scoffster Quote
crackers Posted October 10, 2007 Posted October 10, 2007 The rubber thing does not make for an alternate grasping point. It's entirely cosmetic, as TtB supposed. And it's ugly IMHO. That said, even the normal matrix tools are so much lighter than my taa-k-oons that I might get a pair. I've a pretty light touch, I have not broken a pick except by being an ass on top rope in a quarry, and I might try the light variant for the alpine. It feels good in my hand here in hot as crap (80degree) NYC right now... Quote
akicebum Posted October 11, 2007 Posted October 11, 2007 Grivel picks don't break, they bend. If they break then you've done all you can. However, their tools will break occasionally. The racing wings didn't just disappear because they were too expensive. I'm not sold on the whole forged head bullshit, but I have full faith in grivel. They have been at the head of every single evolution in the ice tool species. While other manufacturers have fine tuned and built upon their ideas, grivel is generally the first. In regard to the head width. If you are busting up another 800m of neve after having climbed a route that required you to use a technical ice tool, then you'll be far more psyched that you are cramponing up neve and not post holing through powder. The skinning head will be the last thing on your mind, or at least for me. Besides the tool is wayyy lighter. I've only used the Quantum Monsters and they are badass. I look forward the swinging the others in the line. I prefer grivel. But Most of the technical ice tools out there do the job. This quantum series tools are crazy expensive. Hey ice season is upon us, hell yeah. Quote
NYC007 Posted October 17, 2007 Posted October 17, 2007 grivel pics dont break, I call BS! I left a inch off my cascade pic in Casade in Banff..! But I have heard many accounts in the recent of the pics bending a little. which until recently is abnormal. I have beat the hell out of their pics but until recently have had no issues... Quote
Dannible Posted October 17, 2007 Posted October 17, 2007 I held and swung the new Grivel tool the other day, and liked the feel of it, but personally if I were going to get a Grivel tool I'd still go for the Alp or Light Wing because the one piece head just seems wierd to me. Gotta wonder how light is too light also. The Alp Wing is too light for some, and this is 100g lighter. Quote
Extrablue Posted October 21, 2007 Posted October 21, 2007 Who cares if you a break a pick? Check out the ratings that Quantum is only B rated. Anyone want to start carrying an extra shaft in case you break that and not your pick... Quote
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