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What's up with tapping high pressure water on ice routes. When is this a danger? or how can you know if it is a potential hazard on a route. I can't find anything about this in any books...other than an accident report of some dude getting blown off a route in the Adirondacks on a 15'x15' piece of ice, cause he tapped into some high pressure water lurking under the route.

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In the Sept 15, 2000 (the "Epics" double issue) Climbing Mag's Vantage Point article (in the back) the concept of ice dams is discussed.

Some points made:

--They tend to be found where wide fluctuations in temps occur.

--They form at the upper end of steeper ground, at the face of benches where water can pool.

--Usually there are no tell-tale seeps or fractures because if there are, the pressure doesn't build.

Hope this helps.

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sometimes if you are lucky you can pop a screw through into water under pressure and it blasts out the ice core and gives you a running water spurt from your screw. kinda like tapping a keg but without the head... it would be cool if it was beer though. [big Drink]

Terminal G., you have to design us an iceclimb made of frozen running beer on the outside of your brewery... [laf]

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