Dude Drederek I am sure you look fabulous in your long johns and shorts, but I don't think I could pull that look off. I am considering those Zion pants. I went out to do some bouldering today after work and there was a guy out there who had some pants very similar to the Zion's but they were made by an ultralight hunting company called Kuiu and they were the Attack pants. I really liked the way they looked and the fabric used to make them. They also have 4 way stretch and are weather resistant. They have a few more pockets, but the price is a bit higher. So I am trying to decide between the two. Has anyone ever tried the Kuiu pants? This was my first time ever seeing them