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Like JBo6 says, it's totally condition dependant. Did it last year right around the same time, maybe one week after July fourth, and, while the upper section, maybe upper third was decent(according to my partners; I bailed about halfway up), the middle and lower sections were survival skiing, at best, due to the deep suncups and runnels. . Gnarly, and very challenging. . . to say the least. . The year before, however, skied S.S. on the fourth, and it was fantastic! Great corn, no suncups, etc, and just very fun skiing. Kind of depends on how the spring weather treats the mountain, ie, lots of rain followed by sun, can make for very shitty conditions. Best to keep an eye on it, look for any trip reports as the time nears, etc, etc. Good luck, and maybe see ya there!

Into the whiteout. . .

I wanna be there. . . I love that place, and I've only just tasted it. . Thanks for the photo!

Ivan's ready!

Gnarly!

I was at the lake on the 17th, as well as this past weekend, on July 1. On the 17th, I talked with a few who said they didn't even use their crampons, as the snow was soft. . .

Yowza! Beautiful and amazing! Good work on you guys for putting that one together!

Nice info and good advice in there. Thanks!

Excellent work!

Good job on getting out there and doing a little skiing!

Very good, Billcoe. Before long, it will become the "rich man's forest," . . . Wasn't it George W's intention to privatize forest recreation??

This Washingtonian thinks our state will survive just fine without your "tourist dollars", your "facilities inspections", and, your incessant complaining. I propose a "whiney baby" forum be added to cc.com. It would be a catch all for this type of "discussion". It shouldn't be in a climbing forum IMO... I'll nominate KirkW to be the moderator of this new forum. Mods? Please? d I don't think, in this case, that there was much,if any, whining coming from KirkW. Nor do find the TR he linked whiny at all; rather, I thought it showed with ridiculous irony how f-ed up this whole fee situation is. . ie, a new shitter, closed, w/glorious signage all over, along w/ piles of shit some dog owner didn't feel like carting back in their car. Surprised someone didn't take a shit at the foot of the closed restroom door. . And, he brought up some good points: if people stop going to such and such a trailhead(s), due to shelling out the monies, the immediate area can suffer a decrease in $$. My cousin still goes to Hamilton, and he says he's noticed a visible difference in the number of cars now parked in the lot. This may or may not make a too much of a difference on the local economy, but I can't help think that the little stores, gas stations, etc, in any given area, now would lose a few $ w/ the loss of people going to any given trailhead. .

Now there's a mighty fine question. . I don't know the answer. . Prolly lumped into the General Fund? Fine is $99.00, kindly reduced to $59, if one buys a pass within 15 days of ticket and provides proof of purchase to the court. . . Sounds like the purchase price has gone up a little, now that everyone is getting a slice: Q. How much does the Discover Pass cost? A. An annual Discover Pass purchased from a recreational license dealer, by phone or online costs $35, which includes the $30 base fee, a 10 percent transaction fee and a $2 dealer fee. A one-day Discover Pass costs $11.50, which includes the $10 base fee, a 10 percent transaction fee and a 50-cent dealer fee. The annual pass is good for one year. Who knows? Next year price might be $40 per yr, and $15 for the day. . .

So, despite the hassle of fighting it, and despite Ranger Vicky's protestations about "all the good the money goes toward," And by that, you mean the states general fund. None of that money goes back into the parks. The only thing that has changed from before the passes to now is the parking tickets. Hey, none of it goes to the WA General Fund. 84% of the Discover Pass receipts goes directly to the WSP and is the only funding WSP now gets - they receive no general funds. Every one of you who are so miserably cheap you have to try and scam around it instead of dropping the staggering sum of $30 a year for WA parks should just stay out of them. Ouch!

So, despite the hassle of fighting it, and despite Ranger Vicky's protestations about "all the good the money goes toward," And by that, you mean the states general fund. None of that money goes back into the parks. The only thing that has changed from before the passes to now is the parking tickets. I think that's about right, though I certainly don't profess to know for sure. What Ms. Ranger asserted was that the monies went for trail maintenance, bathroom maintenance, etc, ie, back into the parks. . Funny how, at the time, I saw that the bathroom at Hamilton was locked shut, and the gate to the Hamilton parking area was also locked, meaning one had to park at Beacon and walk up the road to the empty parking area of Hamilton. .