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hermp!

Well....since this is the the right wing nut job argument about why it is ok for Bush to listen in on your conversation without a wire tap....then you should be ok with it..... read this kevbone: http://www.learnaboutguns.com/2008/09/06/gun-rights-fit-in-with-liberal-ideals/

what's your point? we'd have these in the usa too if the nra could get rpg's legalized. eric, are you smoking crack these days or inhaling to much crispy lichen. yeh, and there is some sort of NRA in S.A. shelling out rpg's.

I'm surprised a supposed libertarian like you would espouse such a cavalier opinion about your privacy rights and the danger of giving them up, particularly the naive "I've got nothing to hide" argument. This argument makes several wrong assumptions: The government never makes a mistake. They won't misinterpret your conversations and ruin your life. The government is always well intentioned. FBI agents get promoted by convicting people. If you look enough like a terrorist duck, some special agent just might use you to advance his career. Terrorism cases take on a momentum of their own, at some point. Once you're past that point, you're fucked. Their typical modus operandi, successful in many cases, is to threaten you with designation as an enemy combatant. Your lawyer then strongly advises you to take a plea bargain for, say, 5 to 10 years, and you know what? Everybody takes that deal, because Enemy Combatant status means deep dark hole forever. The government won't intentionally build a false case against law abiding dissent groups (it has, many times). For example, we now have a democratic administration. What it they DO decide to confiscate your guns, and use all of their surveillance powers to ensure you comply? If their were a large scale attack, such as the one that just occured in India, do you really think this is such a remote possibility? "Can't happen! 2nd Amendment!" you cry. BULLSHIT. Bush has trampled all over the Constitution since he took office. Any president could do the same. The final argument has to do with the health of democracy. Democracy depends on a free and unfettered press to inform the public as to what it's government is doing. For example, what's really happening in Iraq? If the government listens to every overseas conversation (which it currently has the legal power to do), and has security intel ties with other governments (which it does), then in certain sensitive areas, do you really think anyone on the other side of the phone is going to speak freely and openly, knowing that they may be detained and tortured by their own government for doing so? Invasion of privacy without probable cause, aside from being in direct violation of our highest law (we're supposed to be a nation of laws, right?), has a chilling effect on the freedom of the press. Freedom of the press is at the very core of a voting public's ability to know what's actually going on, and make informed voting decisions as a result. Think about it a while. You're little, extremely unlikely "what if my ammo get's jacked" issue is nothing in comparison. i thought bout it for a second ya wind bag, how do you and ivan get any climbing done when you partner up. do you have some sort of hour glass set up so you both get your fucking turn. tvash let an FBI agent make his career off of me, i'll be the first to tell you ate all his twinkies.

The South African experience proves you dead wrong. Crime rates in Joburg are among the world's highest. Because of this many homeowners are armed. Because of this, many burglars enter and shoot the first person they see, assuming the owner is armed. Out of desperation, homeowners contract with private security firms, who respond to tripped alarms. They fire two shots in the lawn, then come in blasting. Many homeowners are shot by their own private security firms every year due to false alarms. The proliferation of guns has turned what would be simple property crimes (which suck, admittedly) into homocides. Just sayin. The 'common sense' that's behind many of these gun arguments is very often 180 degrees wrong. apple meet orange. travsh in the u.s. we have drive by shootings, in the south africa they have drive by rpg bombings.

my brother-in-laws family watches this movie every christmas eve. i love tradition.

you're welcome cock breathe, this whole internet thing has got me tossin and turnin. DAMN U AL GORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i don't even believe i'm alive. prove it bitch.

i'd say you're #2 and i've already had muffy silly, it was just living a childhood dream.

wow, i totally forgot about this place. kewl.

where is muffy?

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that's your lizard now dave, take care of him. he's a good rope gun.

even harder to beat a jerk off that's you college boi......

one of these babies don't need no bullets! if the gov wanted to stencil a # on the side of it i wouldnt' feel raped either pink, i think you're somehow confusing me for the guy who proposed the legislation - i was just asking some questions - i don't know that i understand your responses either - again, this proposal (which i could give a shit about) does not make ammo unavailable or harder to buy (the .05 tax thing is a seperate issue and after paying 5 billion % tax on cigs for years, one which seems hopeless to fight against) as for not wanting the gov to be able to know if you have a gun, or what guns you have, okay. so long as your consistently liberatarian on all other issues i can handle it. i'd assume you want no registration on cars either, right? i do believe we register cars for tax purposes eric. and i normally don't go driving my gun around on public roads smarty pants. i always thought the idea of taxing the shit out of cigarettes and alcohol might be a good idea , but put the money towards reduced health care. oh, tax fat people to. here's a website you might be interested in: http://www.salamancacigaretteoutlet.com/ stop smoking everything ivan, you'll be a better climber and won't end up hacking a lung up everyday like jim. or maybe grow your own tobacco

you just made a good point. it is none of your business or the governments why i need ammo period. do us a favor and go buy a couple thousand dollars worth of birth control before ivan hits you with his purse. you might ask the question: wow, how many guns do you have or what kind of guns do you have. in reality, it's not that much ammo. now "go climb a rock" you bitchin rockclimber dude!!!!!!!!

ivan, for one a gun is useless without ammo and i really don't think the government should be able to track it or your gun. lets says a criminal breaks into my home steals my ammo and my gun and kills someone and it tracks back to me. a criminal doesn't lose here, he wins. it's joe honest gun owner who suffers. drug laws don't stop people from doing drugs now do they. i'd rather the government say their gonna wiretap my conversation, because i sure have nothing to hide. lets say the government does this and charges u .25 cents per tap to cover the cost and for your safety. why is it that some laws just protect stupid people and take away your freedoms at the same time? anyway, this is crap and just another way of taking away your civil liberties. ivan, is what u need is a rope gun or a better pair of rock climbing shoes.

so i gotta throw $2000 worth of ammo away because people are idiots. lets search everyone who walk down to beacon because some of us aren't smart enough to be incognito.

It is only a matter of time. Ammo Confiscation (*Many* Americans are scared-to-death at what's coming....) The bill that is being pushed in 18 states (including Illinois and Indiana ) requires all ammunition to be encoded by the manufacturer in a data base of all ammunition sales. So they will know how much you buy and what calibers. Nobody can sell any ammunition after June 30, 2009 unless the ammunition is coded. Any privately held uncoded ammunition must be destroyed by July 1, 2011.(Including hand loaded ammo.) They will also charge a .05 cent tax on every round so every box of ammo you buy will go up at least $2.50 or more! If they can deprive you of ammo they do not need to take your gun! This legislation is currently pending in 18 states: Alabama , Arizona , California , Connecticut , Hawaii , Illinois , Indiana , Kentucky , Maryland , Mississippi , Missouri , New Jersey , New York , Pennsylvania , Rhode Island , South Carolina , Tennessee , and Washington . To find more about the anti-gun group that is sponsoring this legislation and the specific legislation for each state, go to: http://ammunitionac countability. org/Legislation. htm

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i heard clippy is mean with a disc

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i'd say star wars is up there.

bug is such nice boi........

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