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Paul B, that was me that you sheperded out I think, I agree not that bad, if you can make it down the gully without problem, then you can make this approach

Man, that graph is pretty scientific. I think that the focus of my response was to point out the fact that a individual chose to put up less than quality routes on less than quality rock, then further chossed the situation by lack of experience. I believe that route setting is a skill that takes time to develop, and it is frustrating as a non route setter yet experienced climber to climb routes that I believe are unsafe. Safety was the reason for this thread starting in the first place, and although climbing is dangerous, I believe that route setters have a moral responsibility to set routes safely. Sure I can chose to not climb these routes (which I don't climb any Bruce routes), but, other people that are new to climbing that don't have the experience to read rock, assess bad bolt placements, or know route setters experience do climb these routes unfortunately.

P.S. Oh I forgot, yes I did at one time know Bruce personally.

I'm talking specifically about Bruce, and yes, Bruce is a relatively new climber with little experience at setting routes. There is a reason that development hasn't taken place at Neverland prior to Bruce showing up, no one else wanted to put up routes on that choss. Not trying to pick fights just some common sense honest observations.

Brand new still in case, $200 OBO, pm me if interested or for info.

What do you expect from someone that has little experience route setting.

Is this Stanley?

Don't think so

poison ivy is also worth a look, if you can do all these suggested your ready for Outer Space.

Jens you are a nefarious prevaricator

Yah, probably overthinking a little much. Thanks again for the info, now just have to get the taxes done for that return, and hopefully a new setup.

Just common sense really. Nice video

Too light for cascade cement, thats what I was thinking, kinda spendy as well.