Big_Mac

Makes absolutely no sense huh?

No shovel found yet = good news

There is more info but not avail right now

Rope sleeping bag and 2 ice axes, CNN

Climbers found cave, no people but some gear

One of the bigest challenges is staying busy and not thinking too much, what we did was build a snow cave complex, including a bathroom. these caves will stink, but we had overnight gear and extra fuel/food. Humidity is a problem, you mitigate it by venting, and if your bag is down it will loose insulating value, but you really only need a 40 degree bag anyway. What is key here is just how hurt is Kelley? This info is key to what Brian and Jerry did. With out facts it is very difficult to speculate how urgent they felt they needed to get help. I am sure that Kelley's condition would dictate Brain and Jerry's actions. If the searchers have any FACTS about K3elley they need to share that info with this board, we can probably come up with some pretty focused scenerio's as to the probable locations. A recap of all the FACTS with a timeline would be most helpful to include the gear list. Please SAR folks let the board in on the facts including where you have looked, I am sure that you have GPS data on searches???

I guess no word on today's efforts? Speaking as a person who has spent a week in a cave (involuntarily)- ever since there has always been a place for extra fuel and food in my pack. It is now a mental game; it is their will to live, their faith, and their ability to keep their thoughts active. Especially the fellow who is alone. I sure hope I am wrong but he must have been hurt pretty bad for his partners to leave him. I am absolutely sure it was a decision of last resort to split up. 3 people keep a cave allot warmer than 1. I am hopeful that he just has a nasty broken bone. As for the high tech stuff, I never have and NEVER will depend on such devices, yes they are convenient and are handy, but they should NEVER be considered essential, what is essential is good decision and technical skills, which these 3 apparently have. To the families of these 3, have confidence in the mountaineers abilities and physical/mental toughness they will be down in a couple of days and will have some stories to tell, they will be totally surprised at the national exposure that this adventure has created. I assure you that each of the climbers has their loved ones squarely in their thoughts right now. They will not know what day of the week it is when they are found. Edited for spelling only, sometimes my mind just runs fasten than my fingers.

Which is the most durable/servicable. Yes I see 1lb diff and some extra room due to dome design. Use is 2 people on exended mtn stays Or 3 people for 2-3 day

what is the width like? I take a very wide boot

Sorry to dis-agree about ordering, One just has to remember everything she tells you she wants, and you ask about dressing and such. I believe it is impressive when one can oder 4 meals with the details. Besides as the fellow is paying the bill, he should order it.

I am getting in to the more tech climbing and my 15 yr old as well. I understand buy a dry rope, rated single 65m. Am I on the right track? What brand? We are going to spend some time locally for a year or 2 and then head for Granite PK Mt. and possibly Grand Teton.

Only 1 problem it does not appear to take AA's.

My son is looking for a pair he is a 9.5 Wide. What size are they?

Heading to whitney in 3 days any comments

Going up thurday, Friday takeoff camp at the Lunch couter the Sat up and out. any thoughts? Got pickup with chains (2 sets)